Make the case for federalizing game species

[Fire_9]

Why the Poor Get Trapped in Depressed Areas

It’s harder than ever for the poor to simply pick up and move.

newrepublic.com

"...because while the suggestion to “go get a U-Haul” sounds simple, it’s an impossible task for somebody with no savings."

^This has been what I've observed. My best friend moved to Connecticut. It cost no less than $5k. He had it, so it wasn't a big deal. But yeah man, I have family that I doubt has $100 in savings. Maybe that's a decision, that kind of depends on where you land on a spectrum of philosophical positions about people and the economy.

Do those family members not have the ability to start a trades apprenticeship?

And I know it's not always that easy. It may not happen for that generation, but they can educate their kids/grandkids to make better life decisions. Generational patterns are hard to break but once again, those are individual decisions that people make.

 

[406dn]

At some point, before we married, I told my soon to be wife, that it was very important to me to live where hunting big game annually was doable.

We made a plan, stuck to it, and enacted it. I think moving west, without laying a monetary foundation is likely doomed to failure. It was quite true then, that finding a job that payed decently, was not an easy thing. Most jobs out here still pay poorly compared to many areas. So moving here broke, is not likely to work.

You need to put a nest egg together, EVERYONE should prioritize saving enough money, to weather life's storms. That's is just a basic tenant of sound financial behavior.

I have limited empathy for people who want to have their cake and eat it too. There are plusses and minuses in all of life's choices.

 

[Irrelevant]

Do those family members not have the ability to start a trades apprenticeship?

And I know it's not always that easy. It may not happen for that generation, but they can educate their kids/grandkids to make better life decisions. Generational patterns are hard to break but once again, those are individual decisions that people make.

Some, yes. All? No.

I sometimes have to remind myself that we're not all equally blessed with the same skills. Our population plots as a bell curve on everything skill, topic, and ability. That includes intelligence, planning, and decision-making. There are people who plot further back on all those curves. Do they intrinsically deserve less than you simply because they are who they are?

Honestly, we're bridging over into something I struggle with as a parent. Do I hold my kids to the same standards even if one is less ____ than the other? Is that fair, or just, or simply life? My son will likely always struggle with decision making, and he will certainly have to pay a price throughout his life for that shortcoming, but how much do we as a society set fundamental barriers against people simply because of who they are? There are days I'm right there with you @Fire_9, but I guess today isn't one of them.

 

[Fire_9]

Some, yes. All? No.

I sometimes have to remind myself that we're not all equally blessed with the same skills. Our population plots as a bell curve on everything skill, topic, and ability. That includes intelligence, planning, and decision-making. There are people who plot further back on all those curves. Do they intrinsically deserve less than you simply because they are who they are?

Honestly, we're bridging over into something I struggle with as a parent. Do I hold my kids to the same standards even if one is less ____ than the other? Is that fair, or just, or simply life? My son will likely always struggle with decision making, and he will certainly have to pay a price throughout his life for that shortcoming, but how much do we as a society set fundamental barriers against people simply because of who they are? There are days I'm right there with you @Fire_9, but I guess today isn't one of them.

I definitely agree that not everyone is created equal but I'm guessing you haven't been around the trades much. There's a niche for everyone and I've worked with some pretty low functioning people that make a better living than most college graduates. They'll have to make some sacrifices but there's a lot of opportunities out there for people that are willing to work.

 

[Irrelevant]

I definitely agree that not everyone is created equal but I'm guessing you haven't been around the trades much. There's a niche for everyone and I've worked with some pretty low functioning people that make a better living than most college graduates. They'll have to make some sacrifices but there's a lot of opportunities out there for people that are willing to work.

Fair point, I have not

 

[Straight Arrow]

This antithetical flipflop is so confusing. Last week it was an argument for Public Land Transfer to the states as the feds are mismanaging public lands. Now this week it's turn over wildife management to the feds because the states are mismanaging ... furthermore they won't send me the inexpensive tags I want and deserve!

 

[WanderWoman]

I’m not going to articulate this as well as I’d like to. In addition to everything @Hunting Wife said, I’d think federal management would open up/shine a light on the whole public process part of game management to many more of the anti-hunting-leaning crowd. Also imagine trying to set seasons and getting litigated into oblivion. I could see it being the end of wolf seasons, trapping, etc.

 

[BackofBeyond]

I definitely agree that not everyone is created equal but I'm guessing you haven't been around the trades much. There's a niche for everyone and I've worked with some pretty low functioning people that make a better living than most college graduates. They'll have to make some sacrifices but there's a lot of opportunities out there for people that are willing to work.

If you can’t finish school, you can always finish concrete.

 

[TOGIE]

them animal rights activists would splooge in their pants if all wildlife and hunting management authority fell under one roof in this nation.

 

[Flatbrimmer]

Hey i just wanted them to have their own thread for it.

It’s your thread now, chief…. Lol

 

[Flatbrimmer]

They need to get this thread back on track. So let’s say ht’er A wants to box ht’er B and is willing to pay the money for it. At the same time though ht’er B wants to box ht’er C and is willing to pay the money for it how do we settle that? I know we got a couple legends on here that would bring some good money in. Problem is they may wanna pay the money to box someone else

We’ve been here before….

 

[Flatbrimmer]

I do think that resident tags should be more expensive, perhaps at least the cost of a tank of gasoline. I also think that some sort of limited entry or choosing your weapon are worthy of debate.

The era of OTC going most anywhere you want to go for deer and elk, has contributed to where we are presently.

Don’t you kill nice bulls every year here?

I’m willing to pay a lot more for a tag but at the same time, I spend a LOT more than one tank of gas and most years don’t even kill an elk. I’d be better off saving up for a turner high fence canned hunt. It’s no wonder Randy paid for a fly in landlocked hunt. Money kills animals here. So hearing from someone that’s killed their share of elk that it should cost everyone more, because they themselves could afford more, brings its own slimy touch to the conversation.