Bandit
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Zoning if the property is not designed as farmland. The more farmland they destroy, that means more imports from other countries. wouldn't that increase problems more instead of correcting them?
Major Blow to Oregon Communist's, Washington Next
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JoseCuervo
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BHR and the Q-1..... Great minds afraid of Communists.....
Bandit
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communists? Q-1 isn't afraid. It loks like she's voicing her opinion.
Curly
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Nemont said:
Well said, Nemont.
Curly
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Washington Hunter said:
City and County Planners should have some say, and you're right about what you say above about somebody buying land zoned as farmland. But what about the people who buy land that is zoned residential or even commercial with the expectation that they will someday develop the land and then the zoning changes on them to a lower density and they end up getting screwed out of their retirement plans or investment plans?
For instance what if someone had 20 Acres on the Naches River and when they bought the property it was zoned for 5 acre lots. They had planned on subdividing the 20 into 4 lots when they retired and give one lot to each kid. Why should their property go down in value because the County decides that they want to make all property in the area zoned for 20 Acre lots minimum?
Washington Hunter
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Curly, I'm sure there are isolated incidents that do occur in which the landowner's property value was somehow unfairly decreased by some government regulation. But there are many more cases where the landowner is wanting to get rich because suddenly his farmland or timberland is worth more as houses and pavement. I don't think it's right for somebody to plan their retirement on the destruction of wildlife habitat. If you're talking about areas that are already ruined by people and development, then who cares. But when you're talking about areas like the Columbia River Gorge, which is a National Scenic Area, then I don't see how a landowner can justify converting land from agricultural to residential. That ruins it for all the other landowners around there. I'm sorry but not all decisions should be based only on money.
BigHornRam
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Nemont get's it. MattK doesn't have a clue. Why should the farmer land owner have to pay back taxes to who knows when, when his property didn't place a burden on the resources of the surroundding city? When the city grows into his property, it gets developed, and then it starts impacting resources such as school, fire, road maintanence, ect, then the land should be assessed accordingly.
The land in question Matt, has already been earmarked for developement, and has had infrastructer brought to the property. It will be developed. The land owners taxes have escalated considerably as well, much more than when it was cow pasture. So what do you think makes more sense to handle the growth that Missoula is experiencing. Subdived into 2 acre ranchettes that will only allow upscale homes, or a more dense developement that will allow for more homes, at a more affordable price, and leads to less sprawl? If the commies in Missoula would allow infill, there would be even less sprawl as well and would be less pressure to develope the surrounding areas.
The people are coming to Montana, you can bank on that. You can plan for it, or obstruct it. If you chose the later, good luck with your offspring finding a reasonable priced place to live in Missoula when they grow up.
W. H.,
What organizations are you involved in that raises dollars to save critical habitat? Do you put you money where you mouth is, or just expect everyone else to do it? Should only an elite few decide what should happen with the land, or should everyone have some say in it. The people in Oregon have decided they should have a say, based on this election. If you or the government don't like it, buy the landowners out. Thats capitalism.
The land in question Matt, has already been earmarked for developement, and has had infrastructer brought to the property. It will be developed. The land owners taxes have escalated considerably as well, much more than when it was cow pasture. So what do you think makes more sense to handle the growth that Missoula is experiencing. Subdived into 2 acre ranchettes that will only allow upscale homes, or a more dense developement that will allow for more homes, at a more affordable price, and leads to less sprawl? If the commies in Missoula would allow infill, there would be even less sprawl as well and would be less pressure to develope the surrounding areas.
The people are coming to Montana, you can bank on that. You can plan for it, or obstruct it. If you chose the later, good luck with your offspring finding a reasonable priced place to live in Missoula when they grow up.
W. H.,
What organizations are you involved in that raises dollars to save critical habitat? Do you put you money where you mouth is, or just expect everyone else to do it? Should only an elite few decide what should happen with the land, or should everyone have some say in it. The people in Oregon have decided they should have a say, based on this election. If you or the government don't like it, buy the landowners out. Thats capitalism.
Washington Hunter
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BHR, I've been a member of the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation for close to 20 years, and the Mule Deer Foundation for around 5 years now. Plus I donate plenty of money to the Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife in the form of hunting license and tag fees. Was a member of the Nature Conservancy for a year but decided I can't afford to support every organization out there.
BigHornRam
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W. H.,
Thanks for the response. Both of those organizations have done good things.
Thanks for the response. Both of those organizations have done good things.
JoseCuervo
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but not nearly as effective as WWP....BigHornRam said:
BigHornRam
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Jose,
"but not nearly as effective as WWP...."
Thanks for backing up my communist statement. It's been real.
"but not nearly as effective as WWP...."
Thanks for backing up my communist statement. It's been real.
JoseCuervo
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BHR,
Can you tell me where RMEF has been more effective than WWP? And for a $$$$ spent, I don't think there is any comparison, do you?
And are you and the Quiet One still scared of Communists??? LMAO....
Can you tell me where RMEF has been more effective than WWP? And for a $$$$ spent, I don't think there is any comparison, do you?
And are you and the Quiet One still scared of Communists??? LMAO....
BigHornRam
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Jose and Matty,
You boys will be glad to know that I just got the bid to build a couple duplexs in the root. The land owner has to remove the trailer trash there first before we can start the Valley Beautification and land value inhancement project. One property at a time and the riff raff will be swept down to Missoula in no time.
Hey Jose, I was wondering if you had any of your illegal friends that are skilled in the trades and would come up here for $3/hour cash. That would be good if you did, that way I could make a major profit, pay a lot of taxes, and help out with the national debt. Muchos Gracias Mi Amigo Jose.
You boys will be glad to know that I just got the bid to build a couple duplexs in the root. The land owner has to remove the trailer trash there first before we can start the Valley Beautification and land value inhancement project. One property at a time and the riff raff will be swept down to Missoula in no time.
Hey Jose, I was wondering if you had any of your illegal friends that are skilled in the trades and would come up here for $3/hour cash. That would be good if you did, that way I could make a major profit, pay a lot of taxes, and help out with the national debt. Muchos Gracias Mi Amigo Jose.
JoseCuervo
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Sorry BHR,
Just because they are illegal doesn't mean their services are not in demand. Starting wage for illegals around here is $7.50 an hour with a $0.50 bonus for each year returned. Kind of fun to watch the same guy come back 10+ years in a row.....
But, I have a Model 77 Skilsaw and a tool bag. Maybe I'll come up and bang nails for you. You provide free Mt. Dew on the jobsite?
Just because they are illegal doesn't mean their services are not in demand. Starting wage for illegals around here is $7.50 an hour with a $0.50 bonus for each year returned. Kind of fun to watch the same guy come back 10+ years in a row.....
But, I have a Model 77 Skilsaw and a tool bag. Maybe I'll come up and bang nails for you. You provide free Mt. Dew on the jobsite?
BigHornRam
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Jose,
Buzz told me you could get a truck load of illegals for $3/hr a piece. I'd throw in all you can eat tacos on Friday but that's my best offer.
Buzz told me you could get a truck load of illegals for $3/hr a piece. I'd throw in all you can eat tacos on Friday but that's my best offer.
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