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Oregon's property-rights battle heating up


For landowners chafing at land-use restrictions, law to limit regulations is a dream come true

By Eric Pryne

Seattle Times

HILLSBORO, Ore. n Harvey Kempema is giving Oregon's Washington County commissioners a choice.

Option A: Waive county zoning rules and let him split his old dairy farm into 5- or 10-acre lots, as he says he could have done when he bought the land in 1973.

Option B: Write him a check for $2 million.

This sounds like an angry property owner's pipe dream. It's not.

Last November, Oregon voters overwhelmingly approved Measure 37, the nation's most sweeping property-rights law. Since then, hundreds of eager landowners such as Kempema have flooded city halls and county courthouses with claims demanding that government drop restrictions and let them develop their property or pay them not to. "I never in my life thought I'd see something like this," Kempema said.

Before Measure 37, such landowners' development plans would have been fantasies. They violate Oregon's pioneering land-use laws, often hailed as a national model for curbing sprawl and protecting farms and forests.

Measure 37 trumps those laws. No statute in the country more drastically limits government's power to regulate what people can do with their property.

Planners and lawyers still are sorting out just how the new law will work and how far it reaches. No earth has been turned yet because of Measure 37.

But its landslide, 61 percent victory in a state as green n and as blue n as Oregon has sent ripples across the state and across the country.

Property-rights advocates in Washington, bristling at rules adopted under the state's Growth Management Act, hope to put a similar proposal on the ballot in 2006.

Dave Hunnicutt of Oregonians in Action, Measure 37's sponsor, said he is also working with activists in Florida, Wisconsin and South Carolina.

"If it can happen in Oregon ... it can happen anywhere," wrote Portland lawyer Edward Sullivan, a leading opponent of Measure 37.

Many Oregon landowners have been seething for decades at restrictions the state imposed on their property in the name of managed growth. For them, Measure 37 is a dream come true.

It lets property owners file claims against governments whenever a land-use or zoning regulation restricts how they can use their land and reduces its value.

State and local officials can either compensate them for that reduction in value or waive the regulation and let the owners do what they want.

Compensation isn't a likely option for cash-starved governments. Measure 37's backers knew that.

"People don't want money," Hunnicutt said. "They want to be able to use their land."

Measure 37 doesn't apply only to new regulations. It's retroactive: Landowners like Kempema can file claims for rules imposed any time after they acquired their property.

Much of Oregon's political establishment n business, labor, environmentalists and the governor n fought Measure 37. They warned it would shred policies that have helped keep Oregon livable for more than 30 years. They outspent the initiative's supporters by more than 2-to-1.

But on Election Day, Measure 37 won in 35 of the state's 36 counties n including Washington County, just outside Portland, the kind of place where the new law's impact is likely to be felt most.
 
Jose'-reasonable infill planning and rules are necessary. Minority special interest groups who backdoor legislation to take away someone's property rights in a residential area just because they want to look at a parklike setting around their property is wrong. As I have said before the majority is waking up and the special interest hugger groups are seeing the result. Oregon was taken over by a bunch of hippies and huggers and it sounds like the majority is fighting back. What someone elects to call the activists is not relevant.
 
Ringer,
How is Communism not relevant in Oregon's government? BHR says that Communism is relevant in Oregon's government. And thanks to Gilchrist and his 200 man White Trash March, we now know that Dubya's cabinet is stocked with Communists. I had mistakenly thought Communism was no longer an active political force in the US, but due to genius minds like Gilchrist and Paul, I now find out that Communism is still a force in the US.
 
Jose,

I take it you have never had working experience with today's "land planners". I agree with Ringer, "reasonable" land planning is good and necessary. If the land planners were reasonable in Oregon, measure 37 would have never passed. Obviously there is a problem, and the people there have made it be known. If you had ever dealt with city, county, state, or federal employees involved in planning, building code enforcement, enviromental health and sanitation, ect.... my communist comment would make more sense to you. Every year it gets worse and worse. There are a few people in these fields that are genuinely interested in working with the citizens to come up with a positive final outcome. An ever increasing number of these people feel that their position gives them the authority to make life hell for anyone who needs to work with them. These people have similar attitudes as a few individuals do that post on this forum. At least with private business', if they chose to treat you like a jackass, you can always do business with the competition. Not so with government agencies. Just deal with the attitudes, the incompetance, the slow service, the high costs and time lost, if you want to proceed with your project. Sound like communism to you? Does to me. And why did the Solviet Union fail? Hmmmmm... was it because the people had enough of their shit?
 
I just hate it when that word (communism) gets brought into these discussions. |oo

Why should the government not have some say in what landowners do with their land? Many landowners only care about getting rich. If somebody buys land that is zoned as farmland they should have no expectations that it will ever be anything other than farmland (or timberland, or whatever.) Just look at what's already been lost....probably around 90% of the wetlands we used to have, because everybody thought it was a good idea to drain them. They called it progress. |oo As hunters I would think people on this site would not support the destruction of wildlife habitat. :confused:

I really believe new development should be kept within the cities, or within "growth management boundaries" like we have here in Washington. Unless we as a species decide we want to be the only species left on earth.
 
W. H.,

Communists do not believe in private property. That is why it gets brought up in these discussions. The government SHOULD have some say in land use, but not all say. Don't you think that measure 37 which was outspent 2 to 1 by the opposition, and still passed with 61% of the vote in extremely liberal Oregon, indicates there is a problem with the current process? I would, and if I was interested in common sense land planning in that state, or Washinton for that matter, I would do something to address the problems. Take a look at the opposition, that's where I'd focus my attention first ("Much of Oregon's political establishment, business, labor, environmentalists, and the governor fought Measure 37"). These are the "smart" people or the elitists that "know" what's best for all the citizens. Judging from the ass kicking they got at the pole, they were'nt so smart after all.
 
Washington Hunter said:
I just hate it when that word (communism) gets brought into these discussions. |oo
WH,
It just shows how out of touch with reality BHR is. From that point on, most of the rest of his comments are really ridiculous.

Yes, BHR, I have dealt with government employees, Planning and Zoning Commissions, Building Inspectors, etc.. etc.. ad nauseum. And I have found that if you treat them professionaly, follow the law, and have any sort of manners, you can get along with them fine. I would guess we all understand where your struggles with them stem from...... hump

But, at no time have I ever found them to be Communists. In my county, they typically are Republicans. And guess what, Republicans have Planning and Zoning commissions. They do a shitty job, but we still have them.
 
BHR- I hope you aren't zoned in the root. Maybe a nice dirty piece of shit trailer court could go in around your house. Maybe even a couple of them. Just as good, maybe they should allow dumping scrap metal in the field next to your house. Why keep your property value as high as it is. Hell with zoning and governmental controls, that's what I say. I'm understanding you better each day.
 
We have had plenty of turf fights in Az over bullshit zoning...They[county commisioners and town councils] have moved people from their homes and Biz. some who had them for over 30 yrs.

One case even made 60 minutes[ he won] Randy`s brakeshop...The city of Tempe used the old E.D. law to try to force him out[ they lost.. but most of the time they win [its overabused by the governments] who cater to developers..
 
Matty,

Where I live there are CC&R's so there's no threat from trailer trash like you moving in next door. The root has no zoning. Here the turd cops are God and are the method of choice to restrict development.
 
Gunner,

I don't think those Republican zoning commisioner's are going to be too willing to work with you in the future, once they find out you want to have a hunting season on them.
 
BHR-I'm glad the root doesn't have zoning, it's a great place for all the out of state assholes to live...Where were you from originally?
 
Communist thats prob here,republicas demos, most in for money, al it about, much as w ehate we have accept:rolleyes:
 
Matty,

You have some serious anger issues you need to work out. I would probably be angry and negative too if I had to live in Missoula all my life. Your right, the Root is a great place to live. Lot's of wildlife. Beautiful 360 degree mountain views. Some of the biggest chunks of wilderness in the lower 48 right out the door. Paradise! The lot across the street is on the market for a mere $240,000. No zoning but the cc&r's won't allow you to bring your single wide up from Missoula. You interested?
 
BHR- The root is great. It's the only place you can get your driver's license from a vending machine. The judge drives drunk, the cops cover for their buddy's wives being beat, yep, I love the root.
 
The poeple that own the land should not have the government intrudung unless they are trying to destroy the land. Lets say someone has, I think it was Washington Hunter who said that most land owners are interested in nothing moore than getting rich. If thats the case and it means to destroy the land, maybe turn farmland into industrial property, then let the government say something as long as its within reason. Now I may be wrong but thats just my opinion guys.
 
I think that if the property has been taxed as farm land for years and years and the people want to make it residential, they should have to pay all the back taxes it would have cost to be residential. There's an area in Missoula where two factions are fighting heavily. One side wants to subdivide and put up 500 houses creating a dense residential area, while others want to keep the area a farming district. If the houses go up it becomes residential causing the surrounding properties an eye sore as well as increased "residential" property tax. There really should be some controls set up but it sounds like there will be dense residential.
 
There should be zoning and/or covenants but what is the deal with paying back taxes if the zoning changes from Ag. to residential. In Missoula if that were the case all you would do is drive up the cost of housing even further. You cannot stop people from wanting to live in Missoula (of course as a Bobcat I can't understand why anybody would live Missoula :D ).

If you block housing development inside of City limits it then spills further into the surround countryside.

Zoning Yes, Taxation for changes in zoning No.

Nemont
 

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