Losses at the Forest Service

[nrpate05]

I'm already dreading the fire season in Arizona and New Mexico.

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I want to say fire personnel were retained, but I can't remember exactly. I spoke with a BLM staffer yesterday and she said that layoffs hadn't hit their agency yet, but all the first year employees are pretty stressed. I thought this guy was supposed to grow jobs...?

 

[El Jason]

That said, the human toll - Montanans losing their jobs in my community - is really the one I am bothered by right now.

Such an overlooked fact. In many red states, small town, economies, fed jobs play a significant role. Think of Grangeville, Idaho without forest service employees. It’s significant. Riggins. McCall. Salmon…

 

[Deez Nutz]

FWIW google tells me there are 35k forest service employees nationwide, so though 3400 is a significant number, it is in reality less than 10%. I will say right now, if the least productive 10% of employees that work at my organization were let go, no less work would get done, in fact, maybe more work would get done. Just saying.

 

[texwest44]

I might be dating myself a bit with this reference, but here's your sign.

 

[Trial153]

@FREAK is enjoying every minute of things like this. Like he said it’s just common sense.

 

[Nameless Range]

FWIW google tells me there are 35k forest service employees nationwide, so though 3400 is a significant number, it is in reality less than 10%. I will say right now, if the least productive 10% of employees that work at my organization were let go, no less work would get done, in fact, maybe more work would get done. Just saying.

Are you under the impression that the employees let go were the least productive? These folks were let go because administratively, probationary employees are easiest to can. That status is entirely orthogonal to efficiency or keeping the best employees, and is on-net correlated with keeping the most expensive ones.

"Efficiency" and "The Debt" are red herrings in relation to what is actually being done.

 

[El Jason]

Well I guess I'll just consider myself lucky that the woman you voted for didn't get into office.

Apparently you are not able to entertain the parallel thoughts of “my guy won” and “this might not be the best thing for public land agencies”.

This is the low IQ shit that makes me believe people are too dumb to maintain a democratic republic.

Carry on.

 

[Nameless Range]

Well I guess I'll just consider myself lucky that the woman you voted for didn't get into office.

You already know that you don't know who I voted for.

There's fun threads where trolling is all well and good, but I suspect that in your real life, you don't act this way.

 

[Nick87]

Such an overlooked fact. In many red states, small town, economies, fed jobs play a significant role. Think of Grangeville, Idaho without forest service employees. It’s significant. Riggins. McCall. Salmon…

I hope none of the pipeliners that got shitcanned by the last administration that were told "learn to cope" didn't end up taking a federal job and get double whammied. No, that's not a "gotcha" by any means, so please dont take it as such. But it is a real possibility. At which point I think they would probably snap, rightfully so.

 

[Trial153]

You already know that you don't know who I voted for.

There's fun threads where trolling is all well and good, but I suspect that in your real life, you don't act this way.

It might surprise you how poorly people act in real life. Don’t bet that he doesn’t.

 

[Buffs35]

 

[El Jason]

I hope none of the pipeliners that got shitcanned by the last administration that were told "learn to cope" didn't end up taking a federal job and get double whammied. No, that's not a "gotcha" by any means, so please dont take it as such. But it is a real possibility. At which point I think they would probably snap, rightfully so.

Not a gotcha at all, and it’s absolutely fair to point out. What kills me is the hypocrisy. When pipe fitters get laid off, it’s government killing jobs and affecting livelihoods. When the probationary FS employees get the axe, it’s lost in the mix they contribute to small town America just like the pipe fitters, the welder, the farrier and the teacher. They’re just “big government”.

 

[marshman]

I apologize for mixing up goverment organizations in my original post, although the Park service is in the same position.
I try to think and act like a conservationist and all that is happening is not good for our wildlife and wildlands that I am sure of.

 

[ismith]

I hope none of the pipeliners that got shitcanned by the last administration that were told "learn to cope" didn't end up taking a federal job and get double whammied. No, that's not a "gotcha" by any means, so please dont take it as such. But it is a real possibility. At which point I think they would probably snap, rightfully so.

Or the people who got fired for not getting the jab................ oh wait, never mind.

 

[LuketheDog]

I'm sorry for some of the people who lost their jobs, but I also see a bunch of FS employees on a fairly regular basis who appear to do nothing but drive around in the truck and play on their phones all day. I'm thrilled to see any federal agency have to defend its budget instead of getting rubber-stamped every year, or possibly even learn to run a budget.

 

[Nick87]

Not a gotcha at all, and it’s absolutely fair to point out. What kills me is the hypocrisy. When pipe fitters get laid off, it’s government killing jobs and affecting livelihoods. When the probationary FS employees get the axe, it’s lost in the mix they contribute to small town America just like the pipe fitters, the welder, the carrier and the teacher. They’re just “big government”.

I agree. The hypocrisy from both sides of all this and well pretty much every ussue is my biggest peive as well. Anyone who thinks one side is any less than then the other....well, the term "shit for brains" comes to mind.

 

[Nick87]

Or the people who got fired for not getting the jab................ oh wait, never mind.

Yah, that one too.

 

[Flatbrimmer]

FWIW google tells me there are 35k forest service employees nationwide, so though 3400 is a significant number, it is in reality less than 10%. I will say right now, if the least productive 10% of employees that work at my organization were let go, no less work would get done, in fact, maybe more work would get done. Just saying.

Well said

 

[Bigjay73]

Sucks for those laid off, I feel for them , but this is not a sky is falling moment for the forest service

 

[El Jason]

Sucks for those laid off, I feel for them , but this is not a sky is falling moment for the forest service

Not instantly, but it sure isn’t going to help them down the road. There is this thing called successional planning…good leaders and managers utilize it.