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Lots of good info here. When I was a kid I got moved lots of times and at one point went to a new school with no friends where I was different than most everyone else and got picked on a lot, by both teachers and students. By the grace of god I got suspended for 3 days for catching a garter snake and my grandparents intervened and used their address so I could transfer to a school 30 miles away with more kids like me. That was middle school, it was 11th grade before I could say I had friends and felt like I belonged again. I had a stepdad I hated at the time. It was still a pretty depressing few years. Somewhere in all that my mom took one of my uncles advise and put me in martial arts. That one choice probably changed the course of my life.

In saying all that, I think that how long he feels this way will depend on many things. It’s a complex formula, a cocktail of sorts of who he is, personality, self confidence, past trauma, mixed with all the factors he experiences daily, his peers, his teachers, home life and anyone or anything he interacts with. In all that there are many combinations that will result in him feeling the same but it’s only going to take one thing to change the course in a positive way. It could be anything, a friend, an activity, a mentor, or just time.

I just went thru this with my 2 teenage daughters. One more than the other and in different ways. We moved last year to a very small town where most of the kids have known each other for years. Mostly farm kids. Everyone in the community knows everyone. It was Rocky at first (last year) but seems to be getting better. For us we made sure the teachers and counselors were aware of the situation. Communication was key, I think teachers and administrators can judge students just like their peers. It helps once they are reassured the kid has parents/people who care and recognize how the kid is feeling. It also helps if they know you and your kids story so to speak, clear the air with every teacher, make sure they know you and your kid. A teacher/administrator who is aware you are aware is going to be less likely to ignore something and more likely to recognize and improve something they can. Like most people these people want to do a good job and are more likely to be successful when they know they have support from parents and will be recognized for it. In our case we made a plan with the counselor and a couple teachers to push our girls to participate in as many extracurricular activities as possible. Also the principal had a couple groups of students who he felt would be more beneficial for them to get to know. Even though though those original friendships were artificial so to speak it got their foot in the door and now they have other friends they met and some they “clicked” with. Also they now both got jobs in the community which helps with keeping em busy, self confidence, and the money to spend they aren’t complaining about.

Worst case bring him on vacation this fall to Montana and I’ll put y’all on some geese. Every 15 y/o boy needs to shoot sky pandas.

Thanks for being his dad.
 
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Thanks guys the amount of help and encouragement through this thread and pm both. May take me a while to get back to some of you. @Keep on @rtraverdavis @Hammsolo And @Pucky Freak those were all the exact kind of answers I was looking for among many others here. Can't thank you guys enough. Gonna bounce this stuff off the wife later when she gets home from work. @neffa3 To answer your question in the other thread this is why people keep logging back in here even after they may have other threads that are discouraging. Some good people here to say the least.

Another critical piece when looking for a counselor is vetting them hard. There are a lot of great counselors, but there are tons of counselors that are kooks. Ask them loads of questions when researching. You want to know their plan. They should assess, create a personalized plan for your son, and do actual work moving toward identified goals. Simple talk therapy is usually crap. There’s actually tons of research coming out that it can make certain symptoms of depression and anxiety worse. It seems to only work when the patient knows what they want and leads the way. That doesn’t sound like your son currently.

He needs someone that will listen to him and his needs, but will then go beyond that. They should do actual work with him during sessions and send him home with work to do.

On a bonus note, it’s awesome to see so many Hunttalkers being so supportive.
 
He's gotten himself worked into a pretty depressed spot. (Tajes no interest in things he likes,gets home from school and goes to bed). …When at school he eats no lunch
3 red flags for severe depression right here. I’ve had the “pleasure” of living the adult version of the same stuff this last winter/spring. No way to tell if it’s a just a mopey teenager phase, or else a major brain illness, without him seeing a therapist, family doctor, and/or psychiatric specialist. Shoot, he could have undetected thyroid problems, who knows?

I like all the suggestions in the thread about engagement in meaningful extracurriculars. Just be cautious that if he really is having a mental illness episode he may very well need direct treatment first to even be in a place to start or rekindle a hobby, project, club, etc.
 
On a lighter note I had the wife read some of this when she got to @rtraverdavis post she saw his avatar and said omg he's kinda scarey looking. 🤦‍♂️
Show her the greenhorn stuff. She'll really love us then. If you need a quit hit I'll rapid fire some goods.

This could potentially be the best thread on a personel basis I've ever seen on here. Really happy to see you being open about it and greatfull to see the outpour of actual quality opinions and suggestions. We're here for you in MT amigo even though the clucker beat me to it.
 
My cousin went through this the last few years. Getting him medical/psych eval and a counselor to get at the potential mental core of things, while letting him know he's got your love and support are key first steps. Have you thought about short term remote or homeschooling?
 
I can't share much insight on this because I'm literally in the beginning stages of it as a father now but man..... I can tell you one thing I have a completely different perspective of what these situations are now compared to when I was in high school. Pretty damn tough stuff.
 
Show her the greenhorn stuff. She'll really love us then. If you need a quit hit I'll rapid fire some goods.

This could potentially be the best thread on a personel basis I've ever seen on here. Really happy to see you being open about it and greatfull to see the outpour of actual quality opinions and suggestions. We're here for you in MT amigo even though the clucker beat me to it.
Thanks buddy. 👍
 
3 red flags for severe depression right here. I’ve had the “pleasure” of living the adult version of the same stuff this last winter/spring. No way to tell if it’s a just a mopey teenager phase, or else a major brain illness, without him seeing a therapist, family doctor, and/or psychiatric specialist. Shoot, he could have undetected thyroid problems, who knows?

I like all the suggestions in the thread about engagement in meaningful extracurriculars. Just be cautious that if he really is having a mental illness episode he may very well need direct treatment first to even be in a place to start or rekindle a hobby, project, club, etc.

Well said, a crucial piece of understanding is acute versus chronic depression. Really look close at his life and mood patterns. With what I know, and I am not a psychiatrist, it seems most likely that it is acute. Everyone faces acute depression at some time in their life. We experience a tragedy and it’s natural to live with acute depression for awhile, but the key is to not let it move toward chronic depression. It sounds like he has had some really challenging circumstances recently; ”loss” of his dead beat dad, and a move. Who knows what else he has faced behind the scenes.

Keep Lil’ Engine the Couldin’ it!
 
Lots of good advice, and so sorry @Nick87. Kudos for you being proactive.

This is a pretty short and fairly (I think) comprehensible review of different types of therapies. And, as others have said, you have to be really careful about picking a psychologist or counsellor. What types of therapies do you use? "We just talk" isn't an acceptable answer.

And while I may be biased, SSRIs in adolescents are a true last resort. All list "increased suicidal ideation" as a risk factor.

 
I agree. Like I said should have some again next year was just too much going on this year to get things set up.
Doesn’t have to be hogs, does it? Something like sheep are pretty easy on fences and don’t requite much infrastructure.

My son was like me and didn’t have a ton of good friends in high school. But he really Enjoyed taking care of animals And I think it helped him.
 
Good for you @Nick87 for being proactive and reaching out for answers. Helping your kids through difficult times can be an isolating experience for both you and your wife and it’s pretty common for a situation like this to strain your relationship.

Learning to be honest with yourself and with her about your emotions through this process and discussing them together can help keep you close rather than allowing the stress to cause you to retreat and deal with it silently.

IMO, something helpful to keep in mind as you work through this with him is understanding that human connection and relationship is something everyone longs for and needs.
Demonstrating and communicating with him that you are willing and committed to walk along with him can be foundational in establishing that he is valued, loved and worthy of relationship.
I think the question of whether we are loved, lovable, and valued for who we are, is that silent cancer that nags everyone in times that seem to tell us we aren’t valued and lovable to others.
I can only imagine what his biological father flaking on him makes him feel. Couple that with a new social environment, having to start over making friends, the hormonal stew of teenage development, and it’s no wonder that it’s too much for navigate without depression and shutting down.

When my daughter went through severe anxiety and depression brought on by traumatic loss of friendships due to extended family and church community, my wife and I had to understand that the intertwined emotional/psychological/physiological effects were so connected that it wasn’t possible to treat only one and have it change the situation. Thank God, my wife was great at demonstrating her care and non-judgmental commitment towards our daughter even when her behavior was outside of healthy boundaries. I’d like to think that my establishing and holding her accountable to some of the boundaries for her welfare and to protect the rest of our children also played a part in her becoming a stable, prosperous person. Even though it wasn’t always welcome at the time.

Approaching this without shame and acceptance that you and your family need help is commendable. That attitude puts you in a great place to sort through the advice you get and implement the things that seem to be most beneficial to help your family through this stage.

You can make it through this together and it can get better.
 
Good for you @Nick87 for being proactive and reaching out for answers. Helping your kids through difficult times can be an isolating experience for both you and your wife and it’s pretty common for a situation like this to strain your relationship.

Learning to be honest with yourself and with her about your emotions through this process and discussing them together can help keep you close rather than allowing the stress to cause you to retreat and deal with it silently.

IMO, something helpful to keep in mind as you work through this with him is understanding that human connection and relationship is something everyone longs for and needs.
Demonstrating and communicating with him that you are willing and committed to walk along with him can be foundational in establishing that he is valued, loved and worthy of relationship.
I think the question of whether we are loved, lovable, and valued for who we are, is that silent cancer that nags everyone in times that seem to tell us we aren’t valued and lovable to others.
I can only imagine what his biological father flaking on him makes him feel. Couple that with a new social environment, having to start over making friends, the hormonal stew of teenage development, and it’s no wonder that it’s too much for navigate without depression and shutting down.

When my daughter went through severe anxiety and depression brought on by traumatic loss of friendships due to extended family and church community, my wife and I had to understand that the intertwined emotional/psychological/physiological effects were so connected that it wasn’t possible to treat only one and have it change the situation. Thank God, my wife was great at demonstrating her care and non-judgmental commitment towards our daughter even when her behavior was outside of healthy boundaries. I’d like to think that my establishing and holding her accountable to some of the boundaries for her welfare and to protect the rest of our children also played a part in her becoming a stable, prosperous person. Even though it wasn’t always welcome at the time.

Approaching this without shame and acceptance that you and your family need help is commendable. That attitude puts you in a great place to sort through the advice you get and implement the things that seem to be most beneficial to help your family through this stage.

You can make it through this together and it can get better.
Damn Gerald thats pretty deep for a guy who builds houses😉. Lots of good info in there too. Went to work on duck blinds today and to my surprise he went along and wetted a line while I was working. You could tell it was half hearted but he got out of the house so that's a start.
 
Damn Gerald thats pretty deep for a guy who builds houses😉. Lots of good info in there too. Went to work on duck blinds today and to my surprise he went along and wetted a line while I was working. You could tell it was half hearted but he got out of the house so that's a start.

Never underestimate the power of outdoor therapy. Something about the sensory involvement of water, soil, and fresh air is always calming and healing to me.

It’s one thing I don’t think a person can get too much of.

Glad to hear he went along. That’s encouraging.
 

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