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The "liberal" press is all over a story about an Iraq insurgent being shot while wounded and unarmed....cry me a river wha,wha, wha...our soldiers are in a WAR! and all i hear about on every news channel this morning is how our guys executed this poor unarmed,wounded Iraqi,, and they emphasize that it happened in a mosqe....what a bunch of bleeders... makes CJ sick.. :mad:
 
I heard about this yesterday and I thought so the f$#@ what, one more out of the way and our guy was safe.
These bleeding heart SOB's should try taking a turn doing what we are asking our guys to do.
I dont care where they shot him ,it's a war and the more of them we take out the better for our guy's.
 
Next time the soldier should ask the "reporter" to go check him out...roll him over..check for ordinance...make sure he isn`t laying on a grenade.
 
Yeppers, ol' Dubya's goal of "winning their hearts and minds" is sure working well.... This one ranks right up their with his "winning their hearts and minds" at Abu Gahrab....

Funny how the "liberal" media didn't show the actual shooting and the blood spraying all over the wall like the more "conservative" media outlets did.
 
Funny how the Media also didn't stress the fact that jsut prior to that Wounded inserjants would pretend to be dead and use a bomb to kil themselves and the US soldiers that came up to them. Funny howe the "liberal" press doesn't explain that in Battle there is Quick reactions that need to be made and the guy made a Quick one under a battle type situation.

Funny how people die.............
 
And funny how the Pentagon said a full investigation would be conducted, and appropriate charges would be filed.

Funny how the Iraqi PM (Puppet) has condemmed the shooting, and is asking for all the Military's information as it is uncovered....

Here is how the story is being reported in Australia, one of our friends in the "Coalition of the Willing".... It ain't good if you are trying to keep a "coalition" together.... :mad:

US Marine investigated following death of wounded Iraqi insurgent
Reporter: Tracy Bowden


KERRY O'BRIEN: Every war produces its own graphic images of brutality and humanity.

In the continuing bloody struggle for Iraq, those images range from the carnage of car bombs to the execution of captives by hooded fanatics, as well as the perverse horrors of Abu Ghraib prison.

Now, as US forces mop up the last pockets of resistance in the rebel stronghold of Fallujah, their military victory has been overshadowed by video pictures showing a marine killing a wounded and apparently unarmed Iraqi prisoner at point-blank range.

The Geneva Convention clearly bans any attacks against anyone who is no longer engaged in hostilities and the US military has withdrawn the marine from the battlefield pending the results of an investigation.

Human rights groups around the world have condemned the killing but others have leapt to the marine's defence, saying his action was justified in the context of combat.

Tracy Bowden reports.

GENERAL GEORGE CASEY, US COMMANDER IN IRAQ: I think it was a very substantial victory.

Fallujah is no longer a terrorist safe haven and that's a major accomplishment for the Iraqi security forces and for the coalition forces and it's a major way ahead for Iraq.

TRACY BOWDEN: America was claiming it as a hard-fought victory over insurgency.

After a week-long onslaught by air and ground forces, Fallujah may no longer be a rebel stronghold.

But in the process, sections of the city have been reduced to rubble.

As marines continue to crush the remaining pockets of resistance, their military triumph had been overshadowed by a single rifle shot caught on camera.

US MARINE: (Shouts) Hey!

The marines are there?

TRACY BOWDEN: The images were filmed by an American NBC News crew embedded with the marines of the Third Battalion First Regiment.

They were entering a mosque stormed by another unit the day before.

NBC VOICEOVER: Then a marine notices one of the five severely wounded men is still breathing.

US MARINE: Yeah, he's breathing.

US MARINE 2: (Shout) He's fakin' he's ****in' dead!

NBC VOICEOVER: The marine then raises his rifle and fires into the man's head.

The pictures are too graphic for us to broadcast.

LT GENERAL JOHN SATTLER, COMMANDER, 1ST MARINE EXPEDITIONARY FORCE: Let me make it perfectly clear -- we follow the law of armed conflict and we hold ourselves to a high standard of accountability.

TRACY BOWDEN: The American military has responded promptly, launching an investigation into the incident.

But as far as international law experts are concerned, it's a clear-cut case.

STEVE CRAWSHAW, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH: What we're seeing here, and we can see it in the body language of the soldiers, is they do not feel under threat.

And, really, every single soldier and every single commander and every soldier on the ground, knows it is an absolute basic of warfare that when you have a wounded person who is not a threat to them it is absolutely prohibited to further injure or to kill that person.

It's a real basic of international law.

CHALLIS PROFESSOR DONALD ROTHWELL, INTERNATIONAL LAW, UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY: It's completely inexplicable why US Marines would not be applying that principle, especially in the type of context that we're seeing here.

TRACY BOWDEN: Professor Donald Rothwell from Sydney University says the footage suggests a clear breach of the Geneva Convention.

CHALLIS PROFESSOR DONALD ROTHWELL: The relevant convention that applies is Geneva Convention 1 from 1948 -- which the United States is a party to -- and it quite clearly provides under Article 5 of that convention that persons who are injured, what are called order combat, and persons who are injured and/or order combat are to be treated with respect and with dignity and are not to be killed, as clearly occurred in the incident that we're speaking about.

TRACY BOWDEN: While the law may be clear, other experts argue it does not take into account the brutal reality of battle.

BRIGADIER JIM WALLACE (RET), FORMER SAS COMMANDER: There would appear to be no justification for killing this particular soldier.

However, I must say, that you must remember that these soldiers have been operating under the stress of what are probably two of the most stressful environments of war.

There is, on the one hand, guerrilla warfare where you don't know who is your enemy and who is your friend and, secondly, urban warfare, which is very close and personal.

TRACY BOWDEN: Former Australian Special Forces Commander Brigadier Jim Wallace says the fanaticism of the insurgents means this is not war by the rule book.

BRIGADIER JIM WALLACE (RET): At least by one report we have heard that this particular group of soldiers had had a comrade killed the day before within 24 hours by being lured into a situation where they believed someone was dead and found out he was, in fact, alive and booby-trapped himself.

So you have got complex circumstances here, as you always will on the battlefield.

SEAN HANNITY: What is sad about this is they are not showing pictures of our soldiers getting blown up by booby-trapped bodies in Fallujah and elsewhere.

It is a selective, one-sided, biased image that is trying to get you to rush to judgement.

TRACY BOWDEN: American commentators have been quick to contrast this latest incident with the calculated terror tactics of the insurgents.

But coming after the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, it's another another set back in the battle for Iraqi hearts and minds.

MALE IRAQI CITIZEN (TRANSLATION): It is something forbidden in Islam -- an American killed an unarmed Iraqi prisoner inside a mosque.

MALE IRAQI CITIZEN #2 (TRANSLATION): It is a criminal act.

And such an act indicates the cowardice of the soldier who did that.

BRIGADIER JIM WALLACE (RET): We've got to be very careful we don't feed the war efforts of the other side by misrepresenting this.

We must simply assure ourselves that the legal processes are being followed through and that if this soldier is guilty, he is brought to account.

CHALLIS PROFESSOR DONALD ROTHWELL: The fact that the US military is taking action, as they should, I think is at least of some comfort to know that the US military is not prepared to let these abuses slip by.

TRACY BOWDEN: At least 38 US and five Iraqi authority soldiers have reportedly been killed since the offensive on Fallujah began.

According to the US military, about 1,200 insurgents have died in the fighting.

There's no estimate yet of civilian casualties.

While the world is now focusing on the shooting in the mosque, the ultimate cost of the bloody victory in Fallujah is still unknown.

KERRY O'BRIEN: Tracy Bowden with that report.

 
This is how it is being reported in Turkey....
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Unarmed Wounded Prisoner Shot in Felluce Mosque


People around the world are outraged about the execution of a seriously wounded and unarmed Iraqi prisoner by a US marine in a Felluce (Fallujah) mosque.

NBC reporter Kevin Sites documented the execution on videotape minute by minute. According to international law, the wounded Iraqi should have been treated as a prisoner of war, but the Marine preferred to execute him Saturday (November 13) in front of the world.

The NBC reporter was accompanying soldiers to cover the Fallujah operation. The soldiers entered a mosque and when a prisoner there moved, the Marine was frightened and shot him. There are reports that the murdered Iraqi was injured in a clash last Friday (November 12) when ten resisters were killed. Five wounded insurgents were reportedly left in the mosque to be picked up by another group of US soldiers. Since insurgents regained control of the mosque on Saturday (November 13), another of US troops soldiers raided the mosque. When the Americans entered the mosque, they saw five wounded Iraqis and killed four of them, added the NBC Reporter. Later, a US marine entering the mosque saw one of the seriously injured and unarmed Iraqis move. The Marine thought he was 'playing dead' and shot him in the head.

The incident led to worldwide outrage after being broadcast as headline news internationally. The US Department of Defense (Pentagon) announced that the US Marine was brought in for questioning. Reportedly, five Iraqis who were wounded on the fifth day of the operation should have been treated as prisoners of war. The Marine who killed a seriously wounded and unarmed prisoner should technically, therefore, be accused as a criminal of war according to a United Nations (UN) Security Council resolution signed in June. However, American soldiers are immune to international law and are only judged in their own country for war crimes.

US soldiers have avoided facing trial at the International Criminal Court in The Hague even though there have been frequent allegations of war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan. Following the Abu Ghraib torture scandal, this has become the topic of much debate as "politics are overcoming rule of law." The US soldiers that conducted the torture were tried only in US military courts and Sergeant Ivan Fredrick was charged with an eight year prison term but sentenced to only one year.
 
This is how it is being reported in Canada.....
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BEIRUT (AP) -- The chilling video of a U.S. marine shooting and killing a wounded and apparently unarmed man in Iraq dominated the Arab world's media Wednesday, overshadowing the slaying of a British aid worker who had been kidnapped by Iraqi insurgents.

The marine shooting in a mosque in Fallujah was played and replayed, debated and portrayed as "evidence" of what many Arabs believe: that the United States is destroying Iraq and Iraqis.

Frames of the Fallujah shooting appeared on many newspaper front pages Wednesday, and Arab satellite stations repeatedly aired the footage taken by an American television crew.

Al-Jazeera was among the stations airing the marine shooting. The station said Tuesday it also had received a videotape showing a blindfolded woman believed to be Margaret Hassan being shot in the head at close range, but had chosen not to broadcast it.

"We don't show acts of killing," Jihad Ballout, Al-Jazeera spokesman, said of the decision not to show the slaying of the longtime director of CARE in Iraq. "We've never done it before, outside war."

Hassan, 59, had been an opponent of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. She was abducted in Baghdad on Oct. 19 on her way to work, the most prominent of more than 170 foreigners kidnapped in Iraq this year.

A Lebanese Shiite Muslim cleric, Sheik Afif Nabulsi, said both the killing in the mosque and the shooting of Hassan were "barbaric acts that cannot be condoned."
 
Here is how it is being reported in Ireland.....
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The US military said it was expanding its investigation into the fatal shooting of a wounded man by a Marine in a Fallujah mosque over the weekend. The investigation will also look into whether other wounded men in the mosque were also shot and killed.

The probe was prompted by videotaped pool pictures by NBC that showed the shooting during an operation by the 1st Marine Regiment in the mosque on Saturday.

Interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi is “very concerned” about the shooting, his office said.

American and Iraqi authorities have been trying to stem outrage over the shootings among Iraqis, particularly the Sunni Arab minority, and Arabs across the region.

US ambassador John Negroponte expressed regret over the shooting but said it should not undermine US efforts to remove guerrillas from the city.
 
Here is how it is being viewed in Malaysia....
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Work together to help Iraqis, nations urged

PETALING JAYA: Malaysia has urged the international community to work together to help the Iraqis.

Foreign Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar said Malaysia was concerned over events unfolding in Fallujah and was shocked to see the continued clashes between the insurgents and the US-Iraqi forces during Hari Raya.

He said the clashes had resulted in the loss of many innocent civilian lives and destruction of buildings, holy sites and infrastructure in Iraq.

“The dramatic footage of a wounded and unarmed Iraqi being shot by a US marine in a mosque in Fallujah is shocking and may be seen as a violation of the Geneva Convention of Aug 12, 1949,” he said in a statement yesterday.

Syed Hamid said Malaysia called on all parties involved to exercise restraint and allow the elections in Iraq to take place as scheduled in January.

“Malaysia is of the view that the United Nations has the best credentials to create the right conditions in Iraq to enable the international community to take part in the peace-building and reconstruction of the country,” he said.

As a UN member and chairman of both NAM and OIC, Malaysia was ready to work closely with the members of the Security Council to assist Iraq, he added.
 
Lets see how many of these same countries are "outraged" over the cold blooded murder of a TOTALY innocent women who devoted 30 yrs of her life to helping Iraquis...she along with other TOTALY innocent non-combatent civilians have been beheaded/excecuted and tortured even though not a single one of them were armed or fighting..thats what we are up against...this should have been a non-story in my opinion...and now they make a big deal out of it ..they emphasize that it happend in a mosque [bunker] is what they should really call it....I say F@^@!ck them all.
 
Elkgunner, I really don't give a rats ass how its reported in Maylasia, or Turkey, or Beirut, or even Austrailia. Not one of these reports points out that the solider that killed the wounded terrorist was also wounded. The media should be banned from following the troops into action. Or maybe they should have the reporter, disarm the terrorist, or turn them over to check for explosives. Or maybe some friendly fire accidents on these liberal fuggers. (sorry Moosie had to borrow one of your terms)

Quote:
Foreign Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar said Malaysia was concerned over events unfolding in Fallujah and was shocked to see the continued clashes between the insurgents and the US-Iraqi forces during Hari Raya.

He said the clashes had resulted in the loss of many innocent civilian lives and destruction of buildings, holy sites and infrastructure in Iraq.

“The dramatic footage of a wounded and unarmed Iraqi being shot by a US marine in a mosque in Fallujah is shocking and may be seen as a violation of the Geneva Convention of Aug 12, 1949,” he said in a statement yesterday.
End Quote

ITS A WAR ALBAR what do you expect.
 
Hey Elkgunner,

Why don't you go check out the elk hunting in one or all of those piss ant countries who's whiney liberal anti-American views you've reported to us here. And while your at it, stay there! And take that phat phuck pal of yours with you to boot.

Paul
 
Good one cjcj
"Next time the soldier should ask the "reporter" to go check him out...roll him over..check for ordinance...make sure he isn`t laying on a grenade."



It makes me sick to read what these " libreal ass holes " have to say .
They have more compassion for these same people that are showing video tape of themself beheading people and shooting a woman in the head.
Way to support are men and women in the armed force's Elkgunner.

It make's me swell with pride that Bush is leading this country and not the michael moore kerry loving liberal ass holes that take more delight in posting whats wrong with our country then giving support when it's needed.
 
Gunner, why am I supposed to give a shit what the press in Turkey, Ireland, Malaysia, & Canada think? Or even Tracy Bowden in Australia? I don't even give a rat's ass what the press in America thinks.

But since you seem to care, what do you think about what the Wall Street Journal thinks? I agree with what they think.



REVIEW & OUTLOOK

Semper Fi
The story of Fallujah isn't on that NBC videotape.

Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:01 a.m. EST

Some 40 Marines have just lost their lives cleaning out one of the world's worst terror dens, in Fallujah, yet all the world wants to talk about is the NBC videotape of a Marine shooting a prostrate Iraqi inside a mosque. Have we lost all sense of moral proportion?

The al-Zarqawi TV network, also known as Al-Jazeera, has broadcast the tape to the Arab world, and U.S. media have also played it up. The point seems to be to conjure up images again of Abu Ghraib, further maligning the American purpose in Iraq. Never mind that the pictures don't come close to telling us about the context of the incident, much less what was on the mind of the soldier after days of combat.




Put yourself in that Marine's boots. He and his mates have had to endure some of the toughest infantry duty imaginable, house-to-house urban fighting against an enemy that neither wears a uniform nor obeys any normal rules of war. Here is how that enemy fights, according to an account in the Times of London:
"In the south of Fallujah yesterday, U.S. Marines found the armless, legless body of a blonde woman, her throat slashed and her entrails cut out. Benjamin Finnell, a hospital apprentice with the U.S. Navy Corps, said that she had been dead for a while, but at that location for only a day or two. The woman was wearing a blue dress; her face had been disfigured. It was unclear if the remains were the body of the Irish-born aid worker Margaret Hassan, 59, or of Teresa Borcz, 54, a Pole abducted two weeks ago. Both were married to Iraqis and held Iraqi citizenship; both were kidnapped in Baghdad last month."

When not disemboweling Iraqi women, these killers hide in mosques and hospitals, booby-trap dead bodies, and open fire as they pretend to surrender. Their snipers kill U.S. soldiers out of nowhere. According to one account, the Marine in the videotape had seen a member of his unit killed by another insurgent pretending to be dead. Who from the safety of his Manhattan sofa has standing to judge what that Marine did in that mosque?




Beyond the one incident, think of what the Marine and Army units just accomplished in Fallujah. In a single week, they killed as many as 1,200 of the enemy and captured 1,000 more. They did this despite forfeiting the element of surprise, so civilians could escape, and while taking precautions to protect Iraqis that no doubt made their own mission more difficult and hazardous. And they did all of this not for personal advantage, and certainly not to get rich, but only out of a sense of duty to their comrades, their mission and their country.
In a more grateful age, this would be hailed as one of the great battles in Marine history--with Guadalcanal, Peleliu, Hue City and the Chosin Reservoir. We'd know the names of these military units, and of many of the soldiers too. Instead, the name we know belongs to the NBC correspondent, Kevin Sites.

We suppose he was only doing his job, too. But that doesn't mean the rest of us have to indulge in the moral abdication that would equate deliberate televised beheadings of civilians with a Marine shooting a terrorist, who may or may not have been armed, amid the ferocity of battle.
 
Gunner,

I'd be carefull here. If soldier fresh from Iraq read your B. S., and didn't know you were just being a goof, he'ld probably like to pay you a visit. Knock it off.

Paul
 
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