Let’s Stand Up and Play Offense in 2025
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Like hanes go away. Might as well be denny austad. Pinellas weirdo who eating whitefish. Like spent 4.5 days on 310 tag. Nope not a hunter. Pretender. Rogan funny dude. Show enjoyable. No shit skills as a fighter. As a hunter true limp dick. Like get the #*^@#* out of here. No clue
shoots-straight
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"Use to be Shed God" will be your new name. Now get out there and communicate.
The big problem I see is that most of the uninitiated back east 1- have a vastly different relationship with public lands, 2- have a vastly different opinion of public lands, and 3- have no idea of the scale of public lands in the West. The experience “back East” of the Mississippi is that public lands are abused, of poor quality, overcrowded, and full of trash. We are fighting an uphill battle to change that opinion, and to show them that it is possible to manage those lands for the better.
With that said, there are some rather large pieces, and rather well-known and beloved pieces that could be used to fine common ground- starting with national parks. Acadia, GSMNP, public beaches, state forests, etc. come to mind. Starting from a place of common ground is the only way to build a successful grassroots campaign. Once you build the support, then you can really push a unified message to pressure politicians to do the right thing- to think in terms of centuries of sustainable use and benefit to all citizens rather than seeking a profit over a decade.
Are you including Alaska and reservations in that number?
None of these would be impacted. Any effort to combat this is going to need to be much more precise than this. The current battle is over 18 million acres of BLM land.
Positions that rely upon misinformation and/or logical fallacy are not likely to be successful in my opinion.
My too-early-to-tell feeling is that the best path forward here for the pro-BLM side is going to have to focus on financial benefits of keeping BLM land in federal hands. That is going to be a very heavy lift, because I am not confident that it is true.
Attempting to appeal to people’s emotions over this isn’t it- many (most) of them simply don’t care, nor should they be expected to.
For example- a lot of us care about BLM in Wyoming for tangible reasons- we have been there, saw it, smelled the sage, love to hunt deer, elk and antelope there etc…. But we are a tiny minority.
Why would a soccer mom from Maryland give a s$&t about any of that?
Attempting to appeal to people’s emotions over this isn’t it- many (most) of them simply don’t care, nor should they be expected to.
For example- a lot of us care about BLM in Wyoming for tangible reasons- we have been there, saw it, smelled the sage, love to hunt deer, elk and antelope there etc…. But we are a tiny minority.
Why would a soccer mom from Maryland give a s$&t about any of that?
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Emotion is the only thing most people vote on. The last thing I want to get into is a nuts and bolts discussion when the other side is going to stay high level and lie.
It’s a place to start the conversation from, not where the focus needs to be. Financials can be common ground. A good op-ed should probably include both, to cover all the bases.
But whatever it is- we need to get moving and get our piece out first. I heard it once stated, long ago- “The first lie wins.” It doesn’t matter if we put out solid, probable facts and truth- if you’re not first, you’re fighting an uphill battle.
I dont think this will involve any sort of referendum vote though.
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Hello All,
I am willing to team up with a group of eloquent informed writers to pull this off. I will leave out my usual borderline irreverent humor. I will gladly take Washington.
However, I think we need to formulate a strategic plan to most efficiently and effectively use our time and efforts. If we could create a “cable of letters” that each tell a strong “wire” of a story it could be very powerful.
To be successful we must sell that this land is for all, it’s multi-use, and has long term financial benefits. Possibly including a story from a piece of BLM land? We need data, but humans are feelings first no matter what anyone says. Psychological research shows that humans make emotional decisions that they rationalize with data most of the time. Think of your last rifle purchase.
How do we start?
Nick
I am willing to team up with a group of eloquent informed writers to pull this off. I will leave out my usual borderline irreverent humor. I will gladly take Washington.
However, I think we need to formulate a strategic plan to most efficiently and effectively use our time and efforts. If we could create a “cable of letters” that each tell a strong “wire” of a story it could be very powerful.
To be successful we must sell that this land is for all, it’s multi-use, and has long term financial benefits. Possibly including a story from a piece of BLM land? We need data, but humans are feelings first no matter what anyone says. Psychological research shows that humans make emotional decisions that they rationalize with data most of the time. Think of your last rifle purchase.
How do we start?
Nick
Rep Chaffetz Withdraws Public Lands Disposal Bill but Huge Fights Still Loom
After widespread public outcry from hunters, anglers, recreationists, and public lands enthusiasts across the country, Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz promised to withdraw his legislation (HR 621) to sell off millions […]
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they do so poorly. but when large portions, and beyond, of reps voting bases harshly pound the table and scream #*^@#* you and you position and/or bill, sometimes it works.
emotions and facts both matter. bring you calculators, guns, and feel goods for this fight.
they do so poorly. but when large portions, and beyond, of reps voting bases harshly pound the table and scream #*^@#* you and you position and/or bill, sometimes it works.
emotions and facts both matter. bring you calculators, guns, and feel goods for this fight.
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I like the enthusiasm.
. Just guessing and speaking presumptuously but I think @Ben Lamb would recommend refraining from any reference to milfs, drugging women’s drinks, sexual orientation of popular podcasters or influencers in whatever op eds are written…
Inclusion of prepositions, conjunctions and punctuation would be bonus.
. Just guessing and speaking presumptuously but I think @Ben Lamb would recommend refraining from any reference to milfs, drugging women’s drinks, sexual orientation of popular podcasters or influencers in whatever op eds are written…Inclusion of prepositions, conjunctions and punctuation would be bonus.
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Let us not pussyfoot around the true issue at hand here: privatization. Western states were allocated several sections of land per township for the furtherance of State resources such as schools. All Western states have sold some of this land to private owners with certain States, such as Nevada, disposing of far more land than other States.
Utah’s case leads with an argument that is contrary to the Utah Constitution. If DOI control were relinquished of BLM land in Utah, the land wouldn’t be turned over to the State as the State agreed to Federal ownership of these lands in the State Constitution. A decision in favor of the Utah suit would result in forcing the DOI to auction property to private interests.
History repeats itself if we let it and we should consider past events relevant to this current issue. There was a Sagebrush Rebellion in the early 1980s that made the argument for local/State control of BLM. That concept fizzled out and then was bastardized by a separate group that argued for privatization. What’s important here is about that time the Regan administration commissioned a Property Review Board. This was acceptable as everyone agrees the Federal government operates on Federal land at a deficit. What was found is that BLM land was frequently undesirable land that would sell under market value while simultaneously subverting local industry.
That Federal land management deficit is still extant today. Privatization of that subjects all users of BLM land to a great loss of resources. The bird watcher, mountain biker, sheep herder, mining corporation, elk hunter, kayaker, cattle rancher. None of us could afford the trespass fee, mineral rights or grazing fees on private land.
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Utah’s case leads with an argument that is contrary to the Utah Constitution. If DOI control were relinquished of BLM land in Utah, the land wouldn’t be turned over to the State as the State agreed to Federal ownership of these lands in the State Constitution. A decision in favor of the Utah suit would result in forcing the DOI to auction property to private interests.
History repeats itself if we let it and we should consider past events relevant to this current issue. There was a Sagebrush Rebellion in the early 1980s that made the argument for local/State control of BLM. That concept fizzled out and then was bastardized by a separate group that argued for privatization. What’s important here is about that time the Regan administration commissioned a Property Review Board. This was acceptable as everyone agrees the Federal government operates on Federal land at a deficit. What was found is that BLM land was frequently undesirable land that would sell under market value while simultaneously subverting local industry.
That Federal land management deficit is still extant today. Privatization of that subjects all users of BLM land to a great loss of resources. The bird watcher, mountain biker, sheep herder, mining corporation, elk hunter, kayaker, cattle rancher. None of us could afford the trespass fee, mineral rights or grazing fees on private land.
The Subsidized Sagebrush: Why the Privatization Movement Failed
The movement to sell federal lands into private ownership arose somewhat later than the Sagebrush Revolt. Both movements posed a major challenge to federal land ownership, but from very different directions. The Sagebrush rebels stirred up considerable enthusiasm among a wide range of...
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