Wind Gypsy
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It's entirely possible that your scope has a floating zero and also that it was further contributed to by shooting on a lead sled.
Lead Sled Issues
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It's entirely possible that your scope has a floating zero and also that it was further contributed to by shooting on a lead sled.
fishing4sanity
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Like many commenting on here, I prefer to use a bipod and rear bag and can definitely shoot better groups than with a Lead Sled. I think @p_ham in post #19 gives a very accurate answer. I had a Lead Sled once and just gave it away.
Same here. I could never get tight groups with a lead sled. Always better from a bag. I really started to notice it on a .308 and muzzleloader at longer distances.
Forkyfinder
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Funny to see so much of the same experience.
I got obsessed with trying to "remove myself" and see the true accuracy of the guns i shot. If id have never bought that pile of sheeiiiit and bought ammo instead. Literally double the group size... it was impossible to get a consistent cheek weld (doesnt necessarily matter with proper parallax), get a proper trigger pull, re-aim to the same spot after the thing shifts unexpectedly.
Bags and bipod on a bench is good - but i actually shoot better prone.
I got obsessed with trying to "remove myself" and see the true accuracy of the guns i shot. If id have never bought that pile of sheeiiiit and bought ammo instead. Literally double the group size... it was impossible to get a consistent cheek weld (doesnt necessarily matter with proper parallax), get a proper trigger pull, re-aim to the same spot after the thing shifts unexpectedly.
Bags and bipod on a bench is good - but i actually shoot better prone.
rjthehunter
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It's been said already, but it's throwing off the harmonics of the barrel.
If the recoil is too much, put some padding between your shoulder and the gun. Ideally, you just shoot it like you would when you're hunting. I replicate that by shooting off bags!
If the recoil is too much, put some padding between your shoulder and the gun. Ideally, you just shoot it like you would when you're hunting. I replicate that by shooting off bags!
Jamen
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Back when i did not know better i got a sled for my birthday. Used it many times on my 30-06. I never had an issue with groups and gun always held zero. Once i got older and read how bad they were it is a relic in the rafters of the garage now. I will never take the risk anymore.
Brian in Montana
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About the only thing I ever use my LS for these days is bore sighting and maybe if I'm doing a barrel break in. I used to use it a lot more, but never really had the problems as pronounced as you're talking. For groups and sight ins, and pretty much anything else, I use a bipod an a rear bag. Mainly because that's a far more natural way for the rifle to shoot.
I would have to say that you hit the nail on the head getting at the variation in barrel harmonics. My buddy Mitch said that I'm pushing the rifle to a varying degree, and a millisecond after firing, the rifle wants to ho back to where it thinks it should be. Add on top of it that each barrel flexes and whips differently. I was getting say 1.5" groups before the LS, and 4-6" groups that were moving around using the Lead Sled. I don't have the box it came in, otherwise I'd ship it back to Amazon. All of you have hit the nail on the head and helped me figure out what I already knew. LS=POS! Right?
You should try wasting .338 win Mag ammo at $85-105 a box. Also wasted 300 win mag ammo. God, it just pisses me off. I pray to God I didn't ruin any of my Scopes. I'm pretty sure I haven't but time will tell.
I will head to the range in the coming days and will find out. I was shooting halfway decent groups with my old rifle rest, but it was on a shaky card table at the time. I'm guessing that the concrete table and getting rid of the LS will improve my groups. $200 down the drain. Plus tge cost of all the ammo. Can I send a bill to Lead Sled??
Saw some guys with a Lead Sled and a .338 Lapua at our local range. They had the sled and the rifle ratchet strapped to the concrete bench. I started to ask questions and they quickly made it clear I was an idiot. Funny. Especially since they have a firearms related business. Not gonna tell though. mtmuley
perma
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There’s people in the car business that don’t know anything about cars, too. Strange world we’re in.
ismith
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The business making counterfeit Super Grade stocks?
Paul in Idaho
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I had similar problems. Sold the sled, got the same front rest as @buckbull posted, and use sandbags for the back. Groups are better now.
Said I wouldn't tell. mtmuley
Sheltowee
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Have had this exact one for years and like it.
