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How did the felon get the firearm?
Illinois gun ban ruled "constitutional".
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I'll bet he did NOT fill out any paperwork!
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Exactly lol
Call me crazy, but seems like maybe we should ask LEOs what rules or regs would help them crack down on straw buys, fencing stolen guys, etc. and then consider those measures... without calling the LEOs redcoats
Might not be a firearm law at all... just seems like that's not happening.
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The DA's that go easy on criminals are starting to get culled, but it's a bit like whack a mole.There is your bias again. I don’t think anyone is deciding to go easy on criminals. I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that violent criminals don’t vote much and catering to them isn’t exactly a winning strategy. I think it is far more complicated than you want to believe. I would also guess White collar criminals have a higher voting %.
12 Soros-backed prosecutors left office in the past year, nonprofit says
Amid renewed focus on district attorney races across the country, 12 DA's affiliated with billionaire George Soros left office in the last year, nonprofit says.
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"Since then, 12 of those Soros-affiliated prosecutors have departed, resigned, been defeated or removed, LELDF indicated. This includes Baltimore's Marilyn Mosby, San Francisco's Chesa Boudin and Tampa's Andrew Warren."
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So who exactly pushed for cashless bail?There is your bias again. I don’t think anyone is deciding to go easy on criminals. I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that violent criminals don’t vote much and catering to them isn’t exactly a winning strategy. I think it is far more complicated than you want to believe. I would also guess White collar criminals have a higher voting %.
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Poor people get due process too.
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There is your bias again. I don’t think anyone is deciding to go easy on criminals. I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that violent criminals don’t vote much and catering to them isn’t exactly a winning strategy. I think it is far more complicated than you want to believe. I would also guess White collar criminals have a higher voting %.
It's not bias if it's based on personal observations where I live, and reported in real news outlets. You should check out news concerning certain city and county district attorneys in certain states, including Oregon and California, getting kicked out of office because their lax approach to prosecuting crime is backfiring. The Multnomah County Oregon DA is probably on his way out because he's trying the reform approach to justice. Not working.
Opinion | Criminals Know That Prosecutors Have Their Back
Take it from a police officer in a county with a Soros-backed district attorney.
www.wsj.com
Opinion | Can Prosecutors Refuse to Enforce the Law?
It’s complicated. The answer varies from state to state and may affect the response to rising crime rates.
www.wsj.com
Opinion | The Criminal Streets of San Francisco
Voters can send a message by recalling district attorney Chesa Boudin.
www.wsj.com
Progressive Prosecutor Movement Tested by Rising Crime and Angry Voters
San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin and other prosecutors advancing progressive measures around the U.S. face electoral challenges. “Crime makes everyone more moderate.”
www.wsj.com
On the last one headline reads: "Multnomah County’s Top Prosecutor Is Betting His Future on an Aggressive Program Designed to Keep Violent Offenders Out of Prison
Whether the strategy works will depend on voters’ appetite for criminal justice reform during an upswing in violent crime."
They wanted to roll back tough-on-crime policies, then violent crime surged
Progressive prosecutors around the country are facing a political backlash, both from familiar critics on the right but also from onetime allies within the Democratic Party.
www.seattletimes.com
The Liberals Who Won’t Acknowledge the Crime Problem
Refusing to admit the gravity of the problem won’t make it go away.
From 2019, with some quotes that foretold the future: demoralizing law enforcement and dangerous to public safety:
Progressive DAs are shaking up the criminal justice system. Pro-police groups aren't happy.
A new wave of progressive DAs across the country favor decriminalization, diversion programs over jail time and holding law enforcement accountable.
www.nbcnews.com
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Stolen? How do you think people get them? Fill out the FFL form and hope their felony doesn't show up on the BGC?
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Exactly lol
Call me crazy, but seems like maybe we should ask LEOs what rules or regs would help them crack down on straw buys, fencing stolen guys, etc. and then consider those measures... without calling the LEOs redcoats
Might not be a firearm law at all... just seems like that's not happening.
Stolen, Straw buys, Buying from a fence, and yeah probably a lot of felonies not showing up on BGCs tons of articles about the issues with BGC and counties reporting felonies in a digital format that can be easily flagged in a db.
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Both parties have had stroke to solve pet policy issues but they'd rather have something to keep their base's jimmies rustled.
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True, in another thread you or I had noted posted an article or two about the disconnect between NICS and state or local agencies, including some states' resistance to being better connected.
Stolen, Straw buys, Buying from a fence, and yeah probably a lot of felonies not showing up on BGCs tons of articles about the issues with BGC and counties reporting felonies in a digital format that can be easily flagged in a db.
Regardless, the straw purchaser is turned into a felon himself and goes to prison, don't go soft on him because of his feelings. Then then when he gets out, no more firearm buying.
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Agreed. I think in the case of straw purchasers it's usually a GF with no record who bought the gun and the DA goes easy... which is part of the reason it continues to be so prevalent.
Probably also difficult to prove.
I believe (could be wrong) that MA not only has a registration requirement but a reporting stolen requirement. If you have guns "stolen" all the time you lose your license. I think it's all a straw buying measure.
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I have found this to not be true. Or should I say the level of due process definitely seems to be directly related to one's wealth.
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Me too!!!
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More people in prison = higher taxes. Conservative conundrum.
When they get out many can't get employment or housing because of criminal record. Their only options available are not so legal. The more we incarcerate, the more will recidivate.
Prison is a cruel, expensive and ineffective venue for treating mental illness:
Percent of people in state prisons who have been diagnosed with a mental disorder: 43% + In locally-run jails: 44% + Number of people experiencing "serious psychological distress" in jails: 1 in 4 + Percent of people in federal prisons who reported not receiving any mental health care while incarcerated: 66%
When they get out many can't get employment or housing because of criminal record. Their only options available are not so legal. The more we incarcerate, the more will recidivate.
Prison is a cruel, expensive and ineffective venue for treating mental illness:
Percent of people in state prisons who have been diagnosed with a mental disorder: 43% + In locally-run jails: 44% + Number of people experiencing "serious psychological distress" in jails: 1 in 4 + Percent of people in federal prisons who reported not receiving any mental health care while incarcerated: 66%
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Always Sunny In Philadelphia on Instagram: "What raise my taxes…what?"
26K likes, 152 comments - alwayssunnydaily on August 3, 2023: "What raise my taxes…what?".
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Will Hunting's chalkboard . . .
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Always Sunny In Philadelphia on Instagram: "What raise my taxes…what?"
26K likes, 152 comments - alwayssunnydaily on August 3, 2023: "What raise my taxes…what?".
I think a lot of them found their way into local government positions... All joking aside, let's keep in mind the other side of this. If no one's incarcerated, or everyone is released on cashless bail, or released "early", then ongoing "costs" on society are likely to include more crime, both to property and people. That's not going to work.
Here's recent 2023 story about a suspected serial killer who Oregon let out early:
And here's another 2023 story from Oregon which I've posted before, where a homeless guy (and felon) assaulted a little kid and said he wanted to go back to prison.
"I want to go back to prison:" Homeless sex offender punches child in face, say police
A houseless man has been arrested after allegedly punching a young child in the head in Portland on March 19.
katu.com
Here's one from 2022 in Oregon:
Man released on bail, then accused in killing of woman
After a local organization bailed out a man accused of violating a domestic violence order, a week later he was charged for brutally murdering the mother of his
katu.com
A google search results in similar stories.
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Yeah, that was the point of cash-less bail. Due to backlogs in the system poor people were spending a lot of time in jail because they didn’t have cash to make bail. Essentially serving jail time without being found guilty, often of non-violent offenses.
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No system is perfect. All it does is allow people to pick the imperfections to support their argument. We could raise taxes and build more prisons, but prisons haven’t had a great track record of “reform and rehabilitation”. People can pretend that “voting for their party” would change it, but it won’t. Seems like a no-win for the people who generally obey the law. That we can agree on I’m sure. Although it might explain why societal rules and norms are violated more often now.I think a lot of them found their way into local government positions... All joking aside, let's keep in mind the other side of this. If no one's incarcerated, or everyone is released on cashless bail, or released "early", then ongoing "costs" on society are likely to include more crime, both to property and people. That's not going to work.
Here's recent 2023 story about a suspected serial killer who Oregon let out early:
And here's another 2023 story from Oregon which I've posted before, where a homeless guy (and felon) assaulted a little kid and said he wanted to go back to prison.
"I want to go back to prison:" Homeless sex offender punches child in face, say police
A houseless man has been arrested after allegedly punching a young child in the head in Portland on March 19.
Here's one from 2022 in Oregon:
Man released on bail, then accused in killing of woman
After a local organization bailed out a man accused of violating a domestic violence order, a week later he was charged for brutally murdering the mother of his
A google search results in similar stories.
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