Idahos largest wolf pack killed

[Michaelr]

Feds Exterminate Idaho's Largest Wolf Pack

Thu Jul 22,11:58 AM ET Add Science - AP to My Yahoo!
MCCALL, Idaho - The largest wolf pack in Idaho has been exterminated by federal agents after killing more than 100 sheep in central Idaho.

"Non-lethal methods were tried, but they didn't work and the wolves continued to kill sheep," said Carter Niemeyer, wolf recovery coordinator for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. "We won't tolerate wolves that are confirmed to be chronically killing livestock."


Niemeyer said the nine wolves in the Cook pack were killed earlier this week and members of two other packs roaming the McCall area could also be killed because they have been attacking livestock. No decision has been made on those packs yet, however.


Federal officials said Cook pack wolves killed 90 sheep in the McCall area last year and resumed the attacks early this month. The rancher and his hands camped with the sheep and tried unsuccessfully to scare off the wolves with guard dogs, cracker shells, sirens, lights and live fire from shotguns. Biologists from the Nez Perce Tribe also were unable to prevent the wolves from attacking sheep.


It was the second multiple wolf killing in the state this year. Three were shot by federal agents in early March after attacking cattle as far south as the Twin Falls area.


The Cook, Partridge and Hazard packs in the McCall area are among nine of the estimated 37 wolf packs in Idaho blamed for the loss of 118 sheep, 13 calves and six guard dogs last year.


Thirty-five Canadian wolves were released in the central Idaho wilderness in 1995 and 1996 as part of the program to reintroduce wolves in the Northern Rockies. The population has grown to an estimated 400, a large enough number to justify removing them from protection under the Endangered Species Act.


To do that, however, Idaho, Montana and Wyoming must all develop federally acceptable state wolf management plans. While the Idaho and Montana plans have been approved, the government has rejected the Wyoming plan and that state has gone to federal court to override the administrative ruling.

I seen this coming years ago

 

[BuzzH]

No big deal, its all part of the agreement and original EIS.

Dont worry, the ranchers were also well compensated for their losses at 167% of the value of each sheep. Do the math 90 x value of each sheep x 1.67 = Way better than market value.

Hell, if I was a welfare rancher, I'd want a whole herd of wolf packs in my federally subsidized grazing alotment.

One thing we can count on is wolves are here to stay.

 

[Michaelr]

Whos pocket is that coming out of?

 

[Ithaca 37]

mike, after all your whining about wolves for the last few years, you mean you don't even know who pays for the stock killed by wolves! By the angry face in your post I assume you think it's the taxpayers.

Here's a little info on wolves being killed:

http://www.wolfhowl.org/misc/memorial.html

"In Montana, Defenders of Wildlife offers a compensation program for wolves and grizzly bear kills; a confirmed kill will get full market value, a probable kill 50 percent. “But it’s hard to find a kill, and hard to determine what killed it because it’s usually been scavenged,” Mr. Bodner says. “Some producers have taken compensation; some disagree with the program and would not entertain the thought. They say, ‘I’m here to feed the country, not to feed wolves.’”

In Wyoming, the state reimburses for bear kills: for every one found, they pay for 3.67 kills, in an attempt to compensate for the animals that get killed but don’t get found. Defenders of Wildlife, not the state, offers compensation for wolf kills in Wyoming. ............"
http://drovers.com/news_editorial.asp?pgID=676&ed_id=2671

 

[Michaelr]

ummmmmmm the sheep in question were in Idaho,

I take it you didn't even bother to read the story

Did you notice the question mark right before the red face

 

[Ithaca 37]

ummmmmmmmmmmmm, mike, maybe you're going to have to learn to do your own research instead of acting helpless and asking questions. Start with this:

"Defenders of Wildlife today announced that it has paid $62,190 in 2000 to ranchers for livestock losses caused by wolves and grizzly bears in the Northern Rockies and the Southwest.
Compensation payments were highest for wolves in central Idaho, where Defenders paid 16 ranchers $20,322.50 for 19 cattle, 56 sheep, and one guard dog."

http://www.ecocities.net/Article143.html

I'm amazed, after all the whining you've done about wolves, that you don't even know who's been compensating for wolf kills. That was part of the origional negotiations to pacify the welfare ranchers who were crying their eyes out about how much money they were going to lose.

I always thought it was funny that they would accept money from the Defenders of Wildlife. I guess they don't mind prostituting themselves if the price is right, even from the environmentalists. How do you suppose they explain accepting money from environmentalists who they claim to hate?

 

[JoseCuervo]

Anybody ever see what 16,000 flippin' sheep due to an area as they move thru it????

Here is the place the sheep were killed,

"Federal authorities killed an entire pack of nine wolves Tuesday after the wolves killed about 100 sheep this summer in an area less than 20 miles north of McCall.

Two other wolf packs are roaming the area and some of the pack members may be killed if they continue targeting livestock.

The area is prime wolf habitat and grazing land. About 16,000 sheep share public land with 23 wolves. Before Tuesday, 32 wolves roamed the area.

More than 100 sheep have been killed this year in the vicinity of Granite Lake, a recreation area. The killings are blamed mostly on the Cook pack. The area is recovering after forest fires years ago, and new grasses and shrubs tempt elk into the region and the elk tempt the wolves.

 

[Michaelr]

I hate sheep as much as wolves!!!!!!!!!

 

[Muledeer4me]

Ithaca & Elkgunner, you sure like to bring up name's like The Defenders of wildlife ,The Sierra Club,The National Wlidlife Federation.
How close are your tie's to these group's???
Is there no end to the way's you guy's are supporting the anti-movement.
Why shouldn't the rancher take the money for there losse's.
If it's being given to the rancher's it's money that isnt going to there other project's.


Maybe this post should read
JUST WHO ARE ITHACA AND ELKGUNNER ?????


Just Who Are the Defenders of Wildlife?
by Nate Dickinson, Wildlife Biologist

["Although the Defenders of Wildlife have been in existence about 50 years, it is only within the last few years that they have made their presence increasingly known in New York and New England. The Defenders’ assumed role in recent efforts to extend the distribution of the gray wolf, Canis lupis, should raise questions as to their agenda and answers should shed light on concerns arising from this controversial program.

A review of the highly acclaimed book Trashing the Economy, (Ron Arnold and Alan Gottlieb, Free Enterprise Press, Bellevue, Washington 1993) provides a good background. Defenders of Wildlife was founded in 1947 in reaction to the use of steeljaw leghold traps for predator control. Their history reveals that they evaluate hunting on a case by case basis, but campaign for non-lethal wildlife control. In 1993 they ranked 16th, in terms of income, among the national environmental groups. Insight as to their views on other environmental matters can be gleaned from their involvement in the 1988 treatise “Blueprint for the Environment.” M. Rupert Cutler, President of Defenders at the time, was a voting member of the committee that produced this work which called for a staggering rise in taxpayer funding of environmental causes, and which would gradually eliminate private property, free enterprise, and individual liberty.

The first set of recommendations of the “Blueprint,” according to Arnold and Gottlieb, dealt with human population control, and included support for organizations such as the United Nations Population Fund. The National Wildlife Federation was one of the lead organizations with others such as the National Resources Defense Council, The Wilderness Society, Sierra Club, Worldwatch Institute, and Friends of Earth, also having voting members on the steering committee. Does this account provide any clues? Does it raise any concerns as to whether Defenders’ programs should be supported or contributions should be made to their organization?

Kathleen Marquardt in her well-documented and widely-read book Animal Scam, The Beastly Abuse of Human Rights (Regnery Publishing, Washington, D.C. 1993) includes Defenders of Wildlife in a list of United States animal rights groups. Inclusion with the radical elements of this movement should alert the reader to what this organization might have in mind.

Some of the Defenders of Wildlife’s literature suggests the nature of their motives and direction. They follow the lead of other environmental groups in lacing their writings, such as their Fact Sheets, with the required new age buzzwords, most of which are inappropriate concoctions. The term biological diversity, or biodiversity, is liberally used. What they fail to appreciate is that the variety of living species that naturally occur on a given site is a by-product of basic physiographic features. The potential remains, under the dictates of Mother Nature, regardless what they, or others, might do. And protectionists neglect the obvious; that, if the potential is to be maximized, habitats must be carefully manicured in such a way to guarantee a niche for each species.

Of course, there must be frequent mention of ecosystems and their protection. What is usually ignored is the fact that there are infinite numbers of ecosystems, with infinite sizes and shapes, and they are constantly changing; again under the dictates of Nature. Gap analysis is another new creation; one that has the taint of the popular core/buffer/corridor syndrome and the goal of locking up vast acreages of land. The same applies to the term landscape linkage. Incidentally, in discussing the gray wolf they state that this species may occupy home ranges of several hundred square miles. This ploy seems to be commonly used by environmentalists to justify the lock up of land. Abnormally high home ranges should alert the biologist to the possibility of the habitat being decidedly marginal or that the species really does not belong.

One of the Fact Sheets advertises that they sponsored two books on biodiversity. One of these, Saving Nature’s Legacy, was written by Reed F. Noss and Allen Y. Cooperrider. A little research shows that Noss has been active within the extreme elements of the environmental movement for years, Michael Coffman (Saviors of the Earth, Northfield Publishing, Chicago 1994) provides a revealing resumé. At the 1993 annual meeting of the Society of Conservation Biologists, Noss presented an extreme plan, called the Wildlands Project, to protect North American biodiversity by creating a network of wilderness reserves, human buffer zones, and wildlife corridors. Involved would be about half of the continent. Sound familiar? It should.

It is not surprising that these earth-shaking goals are the same as those of the most radical environmental groups. Coffman notes that Bruce Babbitt and George Frampton attempted to push through Congress a scaled down version of such in the form of the National Biological Survey. Undoubtedly, the Defenders were sympathetic to Noss’s cause.

Noss is also a board member of the Cenozoic Society, which publishes Wild Earth and seems to have a deeply rooted disdain for people and human progress. In 1993 he contributed an article for a book entitled Clearcut, which was copyrighted by the Foundation for Deep Ecology. A review of his piece reveals that he and others of his ilk feel that their goals can only be reached with drastic declines in wood harvest and total land protection. Noss recommended that 50 percent of the United States be wilderness. Quite presumptuous indeed.

Defenders of wildlife appear to attempt to divorce themselves from the more radical elements. At the 1997 winter meeting of the Adirondack Conservation Council, Robert Ferris, Director of their Species Conservation Division, stated that his organization did not belong to the Northern Forest Alliance. A check of a slick 1995 publication of the Alliance, entitled, The Northern Forest, A Legacy For the Future, showed that Defenders was included in a list of 26 member organizations, all with a green and left lean.

At a time when the United States is setting a splendid example, despite obvious overkill, and leading the world in addressing environmental problems, the Defenders of Wildlife place a great deal of faith in the United Nations and related international organizations. Despite the wealth of funds at their disposal, the U.N. has a horrible record in solving problems, let alone accurately identifying them. The Defenders pride themselves in helping to draft the Convention on International Trade on Endangered Species and being the only U.S. advocacy group to participate throughout in drafting an international biodiversity treaty. One would guess that they also favor Biosphere Reserves, the World Heritage Convention, and other entities with a new world flavor, all of which threaten American sovereignty.

A Defenders of Wildlife employee participated in a public discussion of wolf recovery programs held in January at Caroga Lake, New York. A requirement of Defenders was that police protection be provided. It was noted that such was not needed at the heated, free-for-all discussions of Adirondack deer management in the past. One of the wolf meeting organizers pointed out a major difference—the biologists promoting increased deer harvests were honest"]

 

[Ithaca 37]

MD, michael asked, "Whos pocket is that coming out of?" So I told him.

Would you rather not have the Defenders compensate ranchers for wolf killed stock?

Nate Dickenson is as nutty as Sheriff Mike. Here's some info on the loony tune:

http://www.prfamerica.org/NateDickinsonIndex.html

Only a paranoid conspiracy theory nut job would pay any attention to his ramblings. That's why MD thinks Nate is worth quoting. Hard to believe the crap some people will believe.

 

[Muledeer4me]

http://www.wolfhowl.org/misc/memorial.html

I went to your link Ithaca.
This is the type of thing I found there.
Sound's mighty anti-hunting to me.
I feel sorry for these wolf's in the sense that these moron's decided to reintroduce them into place's they were not wanted in the first place (by the people they would effect the most.)
The wolve's are doing what come's natrual to them and are being killed.
All the blame should fall on the head's of the people that decided to place them there in the first place.



The Grey and Black
by Ebon Lupus


["Hunted with planes and shot in cold blood
Guilty of the crime of survival
of crossing a line they could not know
killing llamas - human property
They had done what nature created them to do
filled their empty stomachs
fed the need within

A gray wolf and a black wolf went hunting
Unknowingly crossed the predator/dictator man
with his machines and weapons
his hunger and his hate
They had pursued a llama and made their kill
consumed the soft nutritious organs
the great mother smiled with her gift

An ape charged to protect their kind betrayed them
Signed the order to terminate their lives
guilt decided by 'educated guess'
no trial - no jury - just judgment
A gray and a black wolf killed a llama, the order read
bring back the bodies of a gray and black
any gray and black will do - then justice will be served!

Running together side by side
Two male wolves - a gray and a black - ran free
heard the buzz of man-made-things
stopped and looked up
Betrayers bullets ripped through fur and flesh
tore wild heart - punctured lungs
oh! murder most foul and unnatural! (to quote the bard)

Mankind enslaves and tortures with his greed
Stealing Gaia's gift without giving the sacrifice
murdering beauty - growing like moldy film
a virus suffocating the host
And killing wolves - not for food or shelter
but for being wolves
a predator much more ethical than himself

They were murdered - the gray and black
one moment free, filled with beauty and life
the next moment bleeding on the ground
gasping for breath and slipping away
Slipping away into the endless oblivion
like a rainbow fading
a sunset lost to the night"]

 

[Ithaca 37]

"All the blame should fall on the head's of the people that decided to place them there in the first place."

Then I suggest you look into who passed the Endangered Species Act and signed it into law.

 

[Muledeer4me]

Low and behold Ithaca'site also link's us to The Western Watersheds Project????????


"To learn more about ranchers, their disregard for our earth, and how to fight them, please visit the Western Watersheds Project website and support their efforts. Also, if you must purchase livestock products please buy products from environmentally conscious farmers (click here for more info). These products may cost a little more, but isn't our earth and our beautiful wolves worth it? Hit the greedy where it hurts them most - in their profits."


http://www.wolfhowl.org/misc/products.html
Dont forget to go read some of this great page that Ithaca the hunter posted a like for.


http://www.fredsears.co.uk/write/wolfstory.php
This is a must read on The Three Little Pig's.

 

[Ithaca 37]

MD, Just when I'm startin' to think you can't come up with anything dumber or sleazier, you come up with this crap. No wonder people think you have some loose screws.

 

[JoseCuervo]

Originally posted by Muledeer4me:
Ithaca & Elkgunner, you sure like to bring up name's like The Defenders of wildlife ,The Sierra Club,The National Wlidlife Federation.
How close are your tie's to these group's???
Is there no end to the way's you guy's are supporting the anti-movement.

MD,
Could you please direct me to where I brought up the names of those three organziations??? If you can't then please quit lying about my positions. I am more than capable of expressing my opinion, and do not need you lying about my positions like you did on the topics of the Owyhee Initiative.

Regards,
E.G. Unner

 

[Muledeer4me]

"MD, Just when I'm startin' to think you can't come up with anything dumber or sleazier, you come up with this crap. No wonder people think you have some loose screws."

Ithaca,are you saying you did not give us those link's????????


Elkgunner,you crack me up.