smarandr
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Interesting. Didn't know a legislators faith was readily determinable and that southern Idaho Republicans voted in a different block than those in the north.
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Interesting. Didn't know a legislators faith was readily determinable and that southern Idaho Republicans voted in a different block than those in the north.
PR. I dig your passion brother.
Let me start off by saying...good luck getting this NR to go elsewhere.
Justify or educate me on "unethical to keep pumping more hunters into the system, when it's already maxed out."
Aren't hunter numbers (especially NRs) waaaaaay down in Idaho over the past few years? Like to the point where there's still over 2,000 NR deer licenses available and 3,000 NR elk licenses available?
I can imagine your despair. If you want to save the resources and the quality then wouldn't the answer be to not have OTC opportunities and go strictly draw like NV...did you just have a stroke?? Or maybe something really inconvenient like either apply for draws or hunt gneral, not both.
Stay with me here buddy. Yes it ain't gonna happen. And yes PPs are a sham, especially in a state where a little work can put you into some great hunting. I'd buy em but only because I felt that I had to. Wasn't it Eastman's that said 8% of max point holders applied for hunts in WY**? That's setting up for a massive point creep forever. I imagine it would be just as bad in Idaho...
**Allow a +/- 58% margin of error for all statistics put out by eastmans
Steelhead,
I glad you hunt Idaho, and hope you keep coming back. From my experience I generally like non resident hunters--they seem to appreciate the resource more than a lot of residents who take it for granted.
Re: "wouldn't the answer be to not have OTC opportunities and go strictly draw like NV"
There is more than one way to skin a cat. Some alternatives to controlled hunts:
1. Implement a 20% to 30% price increase for non-residents. This would help drive hunter numbers down in the zones that don't already have quotas.
2. In quota units, drop the NR quota from 10% down to 5% or 7%.
3. Implement a 2 year residency requirement for resident hunting and fishing licenses.
4. More aggressive regulation of illegal ATV use. There is a huge percentage of hunters that do nothing but drive their fat assess around on ATV's. Hit them a little harder and the lazy suckers would give up hunting all together.
5. Implement a more aggressive predator management program, including more professional trappers. A spring wolf trapping and hunting season would also make a huge difference. Eliminate wolf tags, and just have a general open season like for grouse or coyotes, except with no bag limit.
6. Have a split system, making OTC tags only available to residents. Make NR's draw for everything.
7. Require more aggressive hunter education for rifle hunters. For example, implement a qualification process like we have for archery hunting. Make people prove they can shoot a 1 inch group at 100 yds.
8. Go to game unit specific tags instead of zone specific tags.
9. Make NR's hire an outfitter in Wilderness units, like in WY.
As for the other factors like our expanding population of people, I'm not sure how to control that. Though, our average age is very high, so may be when all the baby boomers start to croak, numbers will do down and drawing odds will improve ;-) Unless they make preference points hereditary, how would that be for point creep ? LOL
This was all great for a good Friday laugh. I would change one thing. Instead of increasing NR hunters fees, can we increase the resident fees 20-30%? As a resident of ID, I would rather hunt with the same number of NR hunters, but with fewer residents.
Let's see 33% weren't happy with the current system and of those 77% favored a point system. That figures to about 25%. I'll give 3 to 1 odds the legislator has a bill drafted again this session that will implement a points system in opposition of the 75%.