Benfromalbuquerque
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Friluftsliv, like jogging through the woods. I think they do it for the thing itself, not all focused on a goal. Thereby low stress, no feelings of could do better.
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I’ve gone down that rabbit hole as well- less for fat burning, more for aerobic development- but the same method.
Two things I have identified about it for me:
1. It absolutely does work in terms of aerobic development if you stick to it, but it takes a lot longer than I thought.
2. Keeping below 130 is almost impossible in the summer, especially if the dew point starts to rise. I have abandoned any hard and fast number/“zone” and just focus on conversational pace (exactly what it sounds like).
I’m not some super speedster- I was once fairly fast for a hobby jogger (17min 5k, so not great but decent). As I get older and train more like this, I’m not quite that fast anymore but I feel like I can go forever.
75-85% of runs in the low zone, the rest are pretty close to max effort. Easy days easy, hard days hard. This is a vast oversimplification but it seems to work for me.
If I was 100% focused on fat burning, I would do long, fasted state low heart rate runs/rides. Like 90mins+.
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Hell no. When you’re pumping HGH and doing lines you don’t want that kind of thing recorded…
unless we're talking about rocky the flying squirrel?
though, probably still a resolute "hell no"
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How the “Norwegian Method” Is Changing Endurance Training
Double threshold days and lactate meters have propelled Jakob Ingebrigtsen and others to the top. Should the rest of us follow suit?
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How the “Norwegian Method” Is Changing Endurance Training
Double threshold days and lactate meters have propelled Jakob Ingebrigtsen and others to the top. Should the rest of us follow suit?
this is the nuts and bolts quote that really makes it make sense in my mind:
"One study found that fatigue was four to five times greater for exercise 10 percent above the critical threshold than for 10 percent below it. So by carefully keeping below that threshold, you can accumulate a far greater amount of training time at an intensity that’s still challenging enough to spur useful adaptations."
that's interesting. i've always been a big fan of running or cycling faster by training slower. but i suspect, i've still always been running faster than this type of training would suggest. i've heard people say it's actually quite difficult to maintain the paces that this type of training suggests, cause it can be weirdly slow.
begs the question in my mind though: what about people, like most of us, that don't have time to accumulate a "far greater amount of training?" these pros literally do nothing but train, i have like an hour a day. is it more useful to do higher intensity when that's all the time you get?
gah, best not to overthink. maybe ditch the watch idea neff.
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Took almost 3 weeks off working out with the move, that plus the humidity crushed me this week. Found some dirt trails near the house to run but only managed 6 miles each time.
Been rucking 2.5 mi per day. Hips feel good. Back and shoulders feel good. I am really starting to love rucking. With my achillies issue, I don't dare run. The thought of running on that achilles sends shivers down my spine. If anybody has any achilles tips, I am all ears. Yes, i do stretch them a lot.
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The problem is that i'm not seeing good results. I was a sprinter and always gravitated to over-speed and short intense intervals with tons of rest. But that is not translating into general fitness as I stagger my way to middle age. Can't be afraid to try something new. I'm also starting to train for my first marathon, a commitment I made at the ripe age of 14, when I responded to a comment "yeah well we'll see how you feel at 40..." with "#*^@#* that, I'll run a marathon a 40." So having never ran one, I'm preparing, I have a bit over a year to get ready.
what kind of running are you currently doing? and how long have you been working at the results you're not seeing?
i'm not gonna act like i know how to fix your training program. i'm just curious what you've been doing that doesn't seem to be producing.
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Running as fast as I can for 1-2 hrs 2-3 times a week. Then drinking a beer. You know, the classic old man training routine. I thought everyone knew it.
oh, i thought the old man training routine was to open the door and say "ah it looks like it might rain" and get straight to the beer?
i think you just need to switch to running every day at a moderate pace. think @Treeshark s conversational pace. most importantly i just think frequency and consistency is better than either intensity or longevity.
i suspect none of us actually have the time in the day it takes for this Scandinavian running ideology to work.
better to run 2 miles every day in the week than say 8 miles 3 days a week IMO
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I did that when I had more time! Even bought a pair of Garmont T8, designed for just that. It’s very much like hunting itself, especially if you got time to try out new routes. As for Achilles, don’t f#*k with them. My grandfather ripped one jogging in his early 70s. Did ol man shuffle step until 87. I’d do whatever the podiatrist recommends.
Add in one day of a long run at conversational pace. Start at a moderate mileage and add about 5% a week. No need to go higher than 22-24 miles.
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Back to a strength rotation this month for me, so heavy weight/low rep on lower body stuff, then continuing to avoid anything overhead for my shoulder - which is feeling better since the cortizone shot. Hooray! MRI says it's basically hamburger, so can't really do "more" damage. I'm going to try and shoot my bow tonight.
In between lifting days it's time to bump the cardio up a notch or too. Will be hitting the stair climber with a weighted pack for 20 minutes, then 20 second sprint/40 second glide intervals on the row machine.
Plan for next month is 100% HIIT training 3x a week, with cardio and mobility 2x a week. Antelope scouting on the weekends.
In between lifting days it's time to bump the cardio up a notch or too. Will be hitting the stair climber with a weighted pack for 20 minutes, then 20 second sprint/40 second glide intervals on the row machine.
Plan for next month is 100% HIIT training 3x a week, with cardio and mobility 2x a week. Antelope scouting on the weekends.
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6/5-6/11: 10 run/87 ride
6/12-6/18: 22 run/36 ride
6/19-6/25: 5 run/125 ride
6/26-7/2: 10 run/44 ride
6/12-6/18: 22 run/36 ride
6/19-6/25: 5 run/125 ride
6/26-7/2: 10 run/44 ride
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First off it never rains in eastern washington, so I use the cold, hot, or wind excuse.
Also, can't run everyday.
I need at least 1-2 days rucking- up to 100 lbs (I do plan to someday kill something again) and 1-2 days biking, for both my lifestyle and mental sanity. I also suffer from being the worse athlete in my friends group, so Wed mt bike rides kill me. Saturday summits, well, they also kill me when I don't cop out. My baseline fitness level is bottom of the barrel, I can't just run and then pack out a deer, it just doesn't work like that for me. I have to consistently do the things I want to be proficient at or I'm just garbage.
Regard the scandinavian thing, we have two stellar athlete's in our small 20 person office, one person simply spends almost every early morning hour redlining, he just lives in the pain cave. I'll never do that. The other has followed this very strict scandi thing for almost 2 years, for about 1-2 hrs a day, and is blowing his old strava times out of the water, but he said you have to commit for a long time.
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