Hornady 7 PRC a Lie?

[Elky Welky]

The letters PRC sell a lot of ammo and rifles. mtmuley

That's because it is a precision rifle cartridge. The rest are just plain ol' rifle cartridges.

 

[mtmuley]

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Google found me a picture of why it sells.

Or why people think they need it. Hornady doesn't have much that interests me. Except for V-Max bullets in my .222. mtmuley

 

[cgasner1]

If your not shooting a 195 Berger why do you even have a 28 caliber?

 

[Forkyfinder]

Or why people think they need it. Hornady doesn't have much that interests me. Except for V-Max bullets in my .222. mtmuley

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There's a lot of benefits - especially in chamber design. I know it came out within the last 2 decades so you are uninterested - but for being a fan of copper bullets im suprised you don't like the improvements.

 

[Doublecluck]

If your not shooting a 195 Berger why do you even have a 28 caliber?

195 notaprc

 

[mtmuley]

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Modern Cartridge Design has revolutionized how we build cartridges, leading to hunting and competition rounds that outperform the classics.

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There's a lot of benefits - especially in chamber design. I know it came out within the last 2 decades so you are uninterested - but for being a fan of copper bullets im suprised you don't like the improvements.

There is a big difference between understanding and liking something and actually needing it as an improvement over what you have. mtmuley

 

[justdada]

I average 2880 with those 175 factory rounds

 

[LRshooter904]

My 7 PRC has a 26inch Shilen barrel and I get 2875 fps with the factory Hornady 180 Eld-M
I haven't tested the 175 Eld-X yet but I definitely will when I get a chance
I have shot the 180's out to a mile and they did well in my opinion for factory ammo

 

[BAKPAKR]

The letters PRC sell a lot of ammo and rifles. mtmuley

Hornady missed the boat. They should have had a line of UPMRCs (Ultra Precision Magnum Rifle Cartridges). If they could have also thrown a “T” in for “Tactical,” stand back!

Back to the thread topic, I would be pretty disappointed with 2800 fps out of a 24” 7mm PRC if I was stuck with factory ammo. However, based on case capacity, I doubt there would be much trouble getting around 3000 fps with 175 gr bullets in handloads.

 

[jimh406]

This backfire guy is a tool/douche in general.

Insulting people adds a lot to the discussion. Thanks.

 

[LRshooter904]

3000 fps can be reached with handholds and say what you will about backfire, he puts out some good videos

 

[Forkyfinder]

Insulting people adds a lot to the discussion. Thanks.

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He wants to reverse the ban on market hunting - and thinks hunting regs are unnecessary. So the shoe happens to fit.

 

[hogcarpy]

For what it’s worth….
I’m averaging 2939 fps with an STDV of 18.8 out of a 20” barrel with 175 gr Hornady ELDX factory loads. I’ll start working up hand loads this summer to see where it goes.

 

[mtmuley]

Claimed velocity is all over the place. mtmuley

 

[brockel]

Claimed velocity is all over the place. mtmuley

Could be difference in chronographs too. Have seen optical chronographs throw some pretty wild numbers. Probably alot of those being used since they are the cheapest route to go.

 

[mtmuley]

Could be difference in chronographs too. Have seen optical chronographs throw some pretty wild numbers. Probably alot of those being used since they are the cheapest route to go.

Yeah, probly. mtmuley

 

[jimh406]

There is really no way to know what the Hornady variables are unless Hornady releases the details on their approach including equipment/barrels involved. However, it seems like too much of a difference though to have 200 fps difference in the same length barrel. That's a lot of %. However, I don't think it's reasonable to think it's definitely intentional on Hornady's part. People make mistakes in every field.

In the Backfire video, it appears Jim expected to find a huge difference in the 308s. That didn't happen though. Unless there is something about the chronograph that makes it only work correctly with 30 cal, it seems it's unlikely the chronograph(s) that is the issue.

At the end of the day, it just means that ballistic calculators are totally dependent on the data ... garbage in, garbage out. If you want to guarantee that you will hit as expected, you need to shoot more than just 100 yds to know what to expect at different distances.

Since BC enters into the calculations, those can also only be verified by shooting as well.

 

[Chingon]

I spent way too much rebarrelling a Tikka to a 20" 7 PRC and have been a bit disappointed in factory Hornady velocities. HOWEVER, I think Hornady just needs to get it's $h1t together and the cartridge itself will deliver.

My experience mirrors many others. Early lots of factory Hornady 7 PRC cartridges were not that fast, not that accurate and HOT. Heavy bolt lift and pressure signs. Later lots were much slower but consistent and accurate. As someone else posted, the newer offerings of ELD-X(!) from Federal are shooting more accurately and closer to advertised speeds, and appear to be loaded to shorter COAL. We are all watching the recipe develop real time.

I think the kinks will get ironed out eventually and the 7PRC will reign supreme in the magnum world (popularity wise).

 

[BAKPAKR]

Could be difference in chronographs too. Have seen optical chronographs throw some pretty wild numbers. Probably alot of those being used since they are the cheapest route to go.

This was with my 5” 460 S&W and 300 or 325 gr bullets. I now have a Garmin.

 

[Sheltowee]

Hornady missed the boat. They should have had a line of UPMRCs (Ultra Precision Magnum Rifle Cartridges). If they could have also thrown a “T” in for “Tactical,” stand back!

Back to the thread topic, I would be pretty disappointed with 2800 fps out of a 24” 7mm PRC if I was stuck with factory ammo. However, based on case capacity, I doubt there would be much trouble getting around 3000 fps with 175 gr bullets in handloads.

Pfft... "Tactical Rifle Ultra Magnum Precision" (or T.R.U.M.P.) would have opened up a whole new market segments of Bubbas.