VikingsGuy
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Sounds like it should be a 60's vegas lounge act.Marten and fisher . . . .
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Sounds like it should be a 60's vegas lounge act.Marten and fisher . . . .
I’ve never seen a live marten.I watched a marten give a couple of squirrels Hell one day when I was bow hunting elk. It was hilarious to watch.
Not sure you read the thread, but for the most part this was not about trapping in general, but rather trapping in a manner that results in many deaths of hunting dogs and other pets. How many hunting dogs and pets are acceptable to be killed by body-grip traps is not a science question, it is a social policy question. I agree that wildlife management should be science based - but not every question facing outdoorsmen is a scientific wildlife question. Science cannot answer what is the right number of accidental dog deaths we should accept.I now live in Washington where I cannot trap with any sort of body-grip style trap. The idea being that holding an animal to be killed is inhumane. That said, you can trap and kill with a have-a-heart style trap (but only under pretty strict conditions). I have trapped and killed hundreds of animals related to agricultural damage (in a different state), it's not my favorite thing to do, but if you wanna eat (including vegatables) it's being done for you.
I find arguments like this to be morally inconsistent on several levels. First, a conibear does not "hold" a live animal, it kills it. In fact most sets are designed to kill (think about a beaver set designed to drag the animal underwater). Second, no-one...I mean no-one is advocating the outlaw of glue traps for rodents, which are arguably the same level of "inhumane" as a foothold non-kill set. The animal still has to suffer, wait, and eventually die (which by-the-by also applies to the have-a-heart). We consider the classic mouse-trap to be plenty humane, yet a conibear that kills exactly the same way is somehow evil?
My theory is that big cities deal with rats and mice, but not coyotes (or wolves). As long as we have a system where a large urban population center can dictate terms of living to the rest of the rural population, the rural population will get hit with regulations that make no sense to them. This is why we need to push back on every one of these issues, more so we need to push for "science-only" based wildlife management. Ballot box biology is a bad idea, regardless of your stance on the ethics of method of take, a popular vote is always the wrong way to change policy when it comes to wildlife and our interactions with them.
True, and the first question that needs to be asked, by science, is exactly how many dogs are killed in traps per year.Not sure you read the thread, but for the most part this was not about trapping in general, but rather trapping in a manner that results in many deaths of hunting dogs and other pets. How many hunting dogs and pets are acceptable to be killed by body-grip traps is not a science question, it is a social policy question. I agree that wildlife management should be science based - but not every question facing outdoorsmen is a scientific wildlife question. Science cannot answer what is the right number of accidental dog deaths we should accept.
My odds of being killed by a dog, are exponentially higher than your dog being killed in a trap, that's what the science says.BiffH:
The same people that are calling for a ban on snares and body grip traps that will kill a dog, will turn right around and fight any legislation to limit ANY regulation on firearms when kids are getting shot up in a school.
I, for one, am calling for a ban on ground snares and body grip traps that will kill a dog. Biff, if you think for one second that I would stand by in idle mode while kids in schools are getting killed by uzies is, well, biff'd up. You're trying to bolster your argument with....well, expletive censors won't let me post it.
The same people that are calling for a ban on snares and body grip traps that will kill a dog, will turn right around and fight any legislation to limit ANY regulation on firearms when kids are getting shot up in a school.
That's as hypocritical as it is mind numbing...
New bunch of people out there Buzz. They will fight the trapping, but not firearms regulations. Just as long as it doesn't affect them. mtmuleyThe same people that are calling for a ban on snares and body grip traps that will kill a dog, will turn right around and fight any legislation to limit ANY regulation on firearms when kids are getting shot up in a school.
That's as hypocritical as it is mind numbing...
Dude enough with the Biff shit, what are you 12, make your point but that crap just makes you look like a tool.BiffH:
The same people that are calling for a ban on snares and body grip traps that will kill a dog, will turn right around and fight any legislation to limit ANY regulation on firearms when kids are getting shot up in a school.
I, for one, am calling for a ban on ground snares and body grip traps that will kill a dog. Biff, if you think for one second that I would stand by in idle mode while kids in schools are getting killed by uzies is, well, biff'd up. You're trying to bolster your argument with....well, expletive censors won't let me post it.
Trapper: Trap/Snare catches and/or kills a non target animal, farm/hunting dog, livestock, someone's kid, etc. has absolutely NO responsibility
Don’t make me break out the photo of your friend the straw man again .
Comparing gun control to conabears is why you got the flag - 15 yards and loss of down.Someone posted before my reply...not my straw man problem...I was asking BrdHntr a question regarding his outlandish claim...see above quote.
To which I replied with my question.
I know you just cant wait to bust my balls, but you got the wrong guy this time.
Sort of thought my post was self explanatory, and I was fresh out of crayons.
That's fine...but the self appointed referee got that straw man call wrong. Instant replay already provided...Comparing gun control to conabears is why you got the flag - 15 yards and loss of down.
And who checks to make sure they are being used?Many states that allow snaring require them.
Fish and Game.And who checks to make sure they are being used?
Maybe in IdahoFish and Game.