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Guess What Movie is Setting Box Office Records in Iraq.....with the Troops???

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What happens when the troops getting shot at lose faith in the Commander in Chief? :(

Though military personnel lean conservative, some vocally support Kerry - or at least a strategy for swift withdrawal.
By Ann Scott Tyson | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON - Inside dusty, barricaded camps around Iraq, groups of American troops in between missions are gathering around screens to view an unlikely choice from the US box office: "Fahrenheit 9-11," Michael Moore's controversial documentary attacking the commander-in-chief.

"Everyone's watching it," says a Marine corporal at an outpost in Ramadi that is mortared by insurgents daily. "It's shaping a lot of people's image of Bush."

The film's prevalence is one sign of a discernible countercurrent among US troops in Iraq - those who blame President Bush for entangling them in what they see as a misguided war. Conventional wisdom holds that the troops are staunchly pro-Bush, and many are. But bitterness over long, dangerous deployments is producing, at a minimum, pockets of support for Democratic candidate Sen. John Kerry, in part because he's seen as likely to withdraw American forces from Iraq more quickly.

"[For] 9 out of 10 of the people I talk to, it wouldn't matter who ran against Bush - they'd vote for them," said a US soldier in the southern city of Najaf, seeking out a reporter to make his views known. "People are so fed up with Iraq, and fed up with Bush."

With only three weeks until an Oct. 11 deadline set for hundreds of thousands of US troops abroad to mail in absentee ballots, this segment of the military vote is important - symbolically, as a reflection on Bush as a wartime commander, and politically, as absentee ballots could end up tipping the balance in closely contested states.

It is difficult to gauge the extent of disaffection with Bush, which emerged in interviews in June and July with ground forces in central, northern, and southern Iraq. No scientific polls exist on the political leanings of currently deployed troops, military experts and officials say.

To be sure, broader surveys of US military personnel and their spouses in recent years indicate they are more likely to be conservative and Republican than the US civilian population - but not overwhelmingly so.

A Military Times survey last December of 933 subscribers, about 30 percent of whom had deployed for the Iraq war, found that 56 percent considered themselves Republican - about the same percentage who approved of Bush's handling of Iraq. Half of those responding were officers, who as a group tend to be more conservative than their enlisted counterparts.

Among officers, who represent roughly 15 percent of today's 1.4 million active duty military personnel, there are about eight Republicans for every Democrat, according to a 1999 survey by Duke University political scientist Peter Feaver. Enlisted personnel, however - a disproportionate number of whom are minorities, a population that tends to lean Democratic - are more evenly split. Professor Feaver estimates that about one third of enlisted troops are Republicans, one third Democrats, and the rest independents, with the latter group growing.

Pockets of ambivalence
"The military continues to be a Bush stronghold, but it's not a stranglehold," Feaver says. Three factors make the military vote more in play for Democrats this year than in 2000, he says: the Iraq war, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's tense relationship with the Army, and Bush's limited ability as an incumbent to make sweeping promises akin to Senator Kerry's pledge to add 40,000 new troops and relieve an overstretched force.

"The military as a whole supports the Iraq war," Mr. Feaver says, noting a historical tendency of troops to back the commander in chief in wartime. "But you can go across the military and find pockets where they are more ambivalent," he says, especially among the National Guard and Reserve. "The war has not gone as swimmingly as they thought, and that has caused disaffection.

Whether representing pockets of opposition to Bush or something bigger, soldiers and marines on Iraq's front lines can be impassioned in their criticism. One Marine officer in Ramadi who had lost several men said he was thinking about throwing his medals over the White House wall.

"Nobody I know wants Bush," says an enlisted soldier in Najaf, adding, "This whole war was based on lies." Like several others interviewed, his animosity centered on a belief that the war lacked a clear purpose even as it took a tremendous toll on US troops, many of whom are in Iraq involuntarily under "stop loss" orders that keep them in the service for months beyond their scheduled exit in order to keep units together during deployments.
"There's no clear definition of why we came here," says Army Spc. Nathan Swink, of Quincy, Ill. "First they said they have WMD and nuclear weapons, then it was to get Saddam Hussein out of office, and then to rebuild Iraq. I want to fight for my nation and for my family, to protect the United States against enemies foreign and domestic, not to protect Iraqi civilians or deal with Sadr's militia," he said.

Specialist Swink, who comes from a family of both Democrats and Republicans, plans to vote for Kerry. "Kerry protested the war in Vietnam. He is the one to end this stuff, to lead to our exit of Iraq," he said.

'We shouldn't be here'
Other US troops expressed feelings of guilt over killing Iraqis in a war they believe is unjust.

"We shouldn't be here," said one Marine infantryman bluntly. "There was no reason for invading this country in the first place. We just came here and [angered people] and killed a lot of innocent people," said the marine, who has seen regular combat in Ramadi. "I don't enjoy killing women and children, it's not my thing."

As with his comrades, the marine accepted some of the most controversial claims of "Fahrenheit 9/11," which critics have called biased . "Bush didn't want to attack [Osama] Bin Laden because he was doing business with Bin Laden's family," he said.
Another marine, Sgt. Christopher Wallace of Pataskala, Ohio, agreed that the film was making an impression on troops. "Marines nowadays want to know stuff. They want to be informed, because we'll be voting out here soon," he said. " 'Fahrenheit 9/11' opened our eyes to things we hadn't seen before." But, he added after a pause, "We still have full faith and confidence in our commander-in-chief. And if John Kerry is elected, he will be our commander in chief."

Getting out the military vote
No matter whom they choose for president, US troops in even the most remote bases in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere overseas are more likely than in 2000 to have an opportunity to vote - and have their votes counted - thanks to a major push by the Pentagon to speed and postmark their ballots. The Pentagon is now expediting ballots for all 1.4 million active-duty military personnel and their 1.3 million voting-age dependents, as well as 3.7 million US civilians living abroad.

"We wrote out a plan of attack on how we are going to address these issues this election year," says Maj. Lonnie Hammack, the lead postal officer for US Central Command, an area covering the Middle East, Central Asia, and North Africa, where more than 225,000 troops and Defense Department personnel serve.

The military has added manpower, flights, and postmark-validating equipment, and given priority to moving ballots - by Humvee or helicopter if necessary - even to far-flung outposts such as those on the Syrian and Pakistani border and Djibouti.

Meanwhile, voting-assistance officers in every military unit are remind- ing troops to vote, as are posters, e-mails, and newspaper and television announcements. Voting booths are also set up at deployment centers in the United States.

"We've had almost 100 percent contact," says Col. Darrell Jones, director of manpower and personnel for Central Command, and 200,000 federal postcard ballot applications have been shipped.

"We encourage our people to vote, not for a certain candidate, but to exercise that right," he said, noting that was especially important as the US military is "out there promoting fledgling democracy in these regions." Many of the younger troops may be voting for the first time, he added.
 
EG, ;)
That is pretty interesting.

The high school drama club is bringing F 9/11 back to town as a fund raiser (two showings only)!! The drama club adviser moonlights as the one local theater's assistant manager.

I think that is pretty bold up here in Republican Country.

Nemont
 
"[For] 9 out of 10 of the people I talk to, it wouldn't matter who ran against Bush - they'd vote for them," said a US soldier in the southern city of Najaf, seeking out a reporter to make his views known. "People are so fed up with Iraq, and fed up with Bush."
Yeah, I was kinda shocked when I saw it, as I had been told that the Troops support Dubya 100%. Well, obviously that is not true, and at least we know the 18 year old kids getting shot at have more interest in knowing what is going on with their President than many of the posters in SI...

How much are the tickets for the flick at the local Bijou???
 
It is great to see your schoolkids having the intellectual curiousity to learn about the election and the vacuum of leadership in our country.

Far more progressive than many on this site who refused to watch the movie, for fear of having their imagination shattered....
 
Far more progressive than many on this site who refused to watch the movie, for fear of having their imagination shattered....
Oh geeze give me a break. has it ever occired to you that people that dont watch this movie might not becuase they dont want to support the prick who made it?
Why support something you not only dont believe in but feel the picec of shit should be sent to another country?

The man hates america and said so on many occasions.

Delw
 
Delw- One can never learn too much. I've found that things that make one uncomfortable at a given time can teach you TONS down the road.
 
1-Ptr,

It is funny to think that somebody is believes they are hurting Moore financially. The guy has more money than he can spend. Kind of seems like a funny choice, remaining oblivious for the reason of not wanting to buy a movie ticket. And if that were the only reason, you can always buy a ticket to the movie in the adjacent theater, and sneak over....

But I guess the price of ignorance is $8 plus a large popcorn....
 
Moore Propumentory drivel. :rolleyes: If it was popular to support the Pres. then the media would just as easily find "news" to do so, but as it is popular in liberal circles to attack the sitting Pres., that is the "news" they will report. EG, I know you take this stuff seriously, but don't expect the rest of us too. :rolleyes:
 
The price of ignorance is $8 plus popcorn. :rolleyes:

You may believe that Moore is some kind of messiah EG, but sitting through a two hour movie eating popcorn and drinking Mountain Dew does not enlightenment bring.
 
Toonces,

I guess it is too bad that the troops in Iraq are wasting their time, searching for "enlightenment"....

But I would imagine the fact they are over their, beyond their roation dates, getting shot at would have them seeking answers when none are provided by Dubya.
 
Funny I'm here stitting in Iraq, the only soldiers I've met who have seen it (most reluctlantly toboot) saw it with family while on leave. While there is a lot of "public" support for Bush, we are free to vote how we want and there are many who may swing vote for Kerry hoping to get home sooner. Sad part is that really isn't a reason to qualify a canidate (IMO at least) esp since by the time he could bring us home, we would have already rotated back.

BTW I will still be voting bush, the lesser of two evils I think. Why the hell can't we get some decent options just once????????
 
Well said CASPER, I was waiting for someone on that side of the water to chime in. It's one thing to be told what our troops think over there, and another to hear from them. Like I've said before the media aint always got the story right nor in the best interest of the public. They are however interested in ratings, air time, and advertisements.
 
EG,

I never said the search for enlightenment was a waste, it certainly isn't.

But for you to infer that the search for enlightenment somehow must involve seeing this movie, and those that don't see the movie are somehow banished to live in ignorance, is so stupid it almost defies comment.

Thanks for everything your doing Casper.
 
You all must consider both the source of this post and the source of the article. The CSM is not known for supporting anything that involves the military. The member who posted this is not known for his objectivity or logic. A bit more reactive than most and certainly so far left that he's about to fall off the edge.

:cool:
 
EG,

I don't know what to say. But I guess you and CSM are reactionary. :D :D :D
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Nemont
 
Nemont,
Not only am I reactionary, I am about to fall off the edge. And it is great to see the CSM being dismissed....

And not to mention lack of objectivity or logic...

You are sure lucky you don't suffer thru the same limitations in life that I have to struggle with....

I do wish, though, that someday I can be as smart as ol' DanR. But without knowing the age that Alzheimers starts kicking in.....
 
I'm glad you've finally recognized something with truth in it EG.. Perhaps, if you're real lucky and study really hard...

:cool:
 
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