James Riley
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A primer for beginners: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism I encourage anyone to further educate themselves.
Getting nervous about Trump!
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Rob Allen
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I don't know much about Bernie. The only thing I know about him that is a positive is that he isn't a Clinton.
I however don't think he would be very successful at pushing his agenda through congress. The next few years are gonna be long and hard regardless of who we elect.
If I were elected I would run on a platform of paying off the national debt. We need to attack the debt like we did the space race. We need to mobilize as one people and pay it off a few hard years of sacrifice by all of us get it paid off, control spending then the world will be our oyster again.
I however don't think he would be very successful at pushing his agenda through congress. The next few years are gonna be long and hard regardless of who we elect.
If I were elected I would run on a platform of paying off the national debt. We need to attack the debt like we did the space race. We need to mobilize as one people and pay it off a few hard years of sacrifice by all of us get it paid off, control spending then the world will be our oyster again.
Tufrthnails
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Not true for Florida only 22% of the funds come from Fed Programs the rest is from different trust funded by sportsman. Compared to the states general budget that get 34% of it's budget from the Feds and our lands make money. The state made $357M and spent $214M in 2015-2016. Growing the trust funds by quite a bit. Out west you guys are a lot different and I am only just learning how your craziness works. It is ridiculously complicated. But Sportsman spend an insane amount of money and boost the economy drastically. Maybe not locally in your isolated area but in the big picture.
A couple of Hunting economic impact studys
http://www.nssf.org/pdf/research/huntinginamerica_economicforceforconservation.pdf
http://www.fishwildlife.org/files/Hunting_Economic_Impact.pdf
Elkmagnet
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The discussion and my context is referring to federally managed land in the West that he claims to hunt and how most of the working class in this country is paying for it.
We also have state for profit trust lands. The legislature can't seem to find buyers for all of it. Apple's and oranges.
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Tufrthnails
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I've been listening to some of Newbergs unfiltered podcast and it seem land management out west is a complicated mess. I am interested purely from a curiosity standpoint. I really have no desire to hunt elk or moose although a mule deer, blacktail, or pronghorn would be cool as can be. You guys really are lucky to have so much big game.
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RobG
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The argument for social programs is that in the end they save us money. Consider you example of health care. The people who can't afford it will delay treatment until it is very expensive, then declare bankruptcy when they get the bill. Society will be stuck with these costs one way or another. Various government assistance programs fit this model. Some not so much, especially the "welfare" given to corporations, although they try to make the same argument that the money given to them is given back to society in terms of jobs, etc.
JoseCuervo
New member
Have you ever been to a socialist country?
Did the people look like they were suffering from "the height of tyranny and takes force and coercion "?
Yes I have. Several of the different flavors too.
Are you trying to say that it does not take force and coercion? Go without paying the taxes required of you, and let us know in a few years how that is working out.
Forcing someone to pay for something that they don't want, merely because you've deemed it would be good for him, is tyranny.
RockyDog
Member
Here a bit of Texas in Montana for ya all, 5 whole days for your $$
http://www.chasenaccess.com/?p=program
http://www.chasenaccess.com/?p=program
JoseCuervo
New member
You are referring to the US and our Capitalist system, I assume?
Try going without paying your taxes. Let us know how that works out.
Elkmagnet
Well-known member
Forcing me to help pay Raul Labradors salary is literally the definition of tyranny.
Vote Piotrowski.
Elkmagnet
Well-known member
Wait, what? he's a Democrat!
JoseCuervo
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noharleyyet
Well-known member
At the risk of straying too far from Trumpaphobia and just about every maroon's Texas envy obsession, let me ask you Jose,....does your penchant to extol Obama mean you are in favor of continuing his 'legacy' with Madame Clinton?
..a simple yes or no...no charts please.
..a simple yes or no...no charts please.
