They both won super bowls on the backs of top-notch running games and top 5 defenses. So pretty similar.
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In other qb news Caron Wentz is on the move again.
When he first came into the league, I was a fan for several reasons. First he is from North Dakota, which is where we lived from when I was in 8th grade thru college. Second, he is a fellow NDSU grad. And he seemed like he was a good guy.
Now forward a few years and I'm much less a fan. He is not a bust, like say, Ryan Leaf, but he is a semi bust. Some of that might be he just isn't the same physical specimen he was before the knee injury. But more of it, I suspect, is that he wears out his welcome quite quickly.
Oh well, the Eagles and Colts have washed their hands of him. The Eagles got more than he was worth from the Colts. I haven't looked at what Washington gave up for him to say if the Colts did well, or just cut their losses.
When he first came into the league, I was a fan for several reasons. First he is from North Dakota, which is where we lived from when I was in 8th grade thru college. Second, he is a fellow NDSU grad. And he seemed like he was a good guy.
Now forward a few years and I'm much less a fan. He is not a bust, like say, Ryan Leaf, but he is a semi bust. Some of that might be he just isn't the same physical specimen he was before the knee injury. But more of it, I suspect, is that he wears out his welcome quite quickly.
Oh well, the Eagles and Colts have washed their hands of him. The Eagles got more than he was worth from the Colts. I haven't looked at what Washington gave up for him to say if the Colts did well, or just cut their losses.
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The word in old Bison circles was that he didn't take coaching well - smart and learned fast, but if he didn't agree he wouldn't listen. His physical skills made up for this at D1A level, but that is a no-go at the elite level. Also, sounds like he tends to quickly align locker rooms into two tribes - those that embrace his approach to Christianity and those that don't - also not a path to success at the elite level. I am very glad the Vikes did not end up with him as we try to dump Cousins.
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Your take is in alignment with my take.
He does wear his faith on his sleeve. The audience of one can be taken several ways. One of them is that he feels he is only accountable to God, no one else.
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Oh how different the NFL might have been following that...Russ wins his 2nd and the Seahawks may even win a 3rd the following year. That play destroyed the SEA locker room. Brady loses his 3rd straight super bowl with Jimmy G backing him up and now ready to be a starter...Brady may have left NE that offseason....unbelievable play and consequences.
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We'll never know the real calculus of why that play was called. My suspicion is it was to stroke the ego of Wilson. The offense at that time really belonged to Marshawn Lynch. I think their line played their hearts out for him.
I agree they were never the same team after that.
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Yep I agree. The patriots couldn't stop Lynch the entire game including the final plays leading up to the disasterous INT. I mean, it has got to be the dumbest and absolute worst decision in the history of the NFL isn't it? Definitely an ego stroke for both Wilson and Carrol. That team was loaded and like I said had a very good chance of getting back to the super bowl the next season but I think the locker room completely split and the relationships with the head coach and certain star players changed forever as well.
I also have to wonder if the Pats lose that game, if Bill decides to go with Jimmy G whom it sounds like he loved and Tom leaves after that. Crazy stuff that we'll never know lol.
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Mack to the Chargers. Bosa and Mack will be quite the duo. AFC West will be fun to watch in 2022.
Um yeah, it’s not a comparison of players. It’s a comparison of situations.
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So true. You don't hear as much about the actual throw as you do the play call. Both were terrible. The throw was really bad. Marshawn was just unbelievable and I have no idea how you don't give him the rock in that moment. Like you said though, players need to execute, especially routine plays.
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The play call was certainly gutsy. If it works Pete is a genius.
I remember watching the Browns lose to Denver in the AFC Championship game on what should have been an easy touchdown when Ernest Byner fumbled.
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I'd say the call was one of the very worst calls in Super Bowl history. Had they run Lynch every down and come up short, it would have been a case of we went with our best and it just wasn't quite enough.
That play destroyed Carrol's relationship with the locker room. Without doubt every player on the Seahawks felt Lynch would score, given the chance.
My take is Carrol was trying to get Wilson the MVP award for the game, feeling the play would work. Why he preferred showcasing Wilson rather than Lynch, is open to speculation.
The proof of the cost of that call is pretty easy to see. The team melted down and they have been in a downward spiral since. I suspect that after this next season, the purge will be completed with a firing of Carrol.
That play destroyed Carrol's relationship with the locker room. Without doubt every player on the Seahawks felt Lynch would score, given the chance.
My take is Carrol was trying to get Wilson the MVP award for the game, feeling the play would work. Why he preferred showcasing Wilson rather than Lynch, is open to speculation.
The proof of the cost of that call is pretty easy to see. The team melted down and they have been in a downward spiral since. I suspect that after this next season, the purge will be completed with a firing of Carrol.
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2nd and goal from the 2 yardline with a timeout in your pocket and 25 seconds to go. Gotta feed beast mode!
Also from that game, I don't remember who, maybe Kearse? Made an all time catch that rarely gets talked about putting them in the red zone at the end. What a game.
I certainly don’t disagree with your strategy, it’s not wrong at all. I do think it’s a little bit of a stretch to call it wrong to call a pass play when everyone in the stadium, including the patriots think it’s going to be a run. Like I said, better pass placement and that’s an easy touchdown and the Seahawks win.
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