mrcowboy
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Feral Cattle in AZ and NM...removal
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FI460
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I think it may have been asked earlier, but I wonder what the regulations are regarding feral cattle in NM. Is there a regulation protecting them from being shot? If nobody is claiming them and nobody knows who they belong to then why are folks worried about it?
As weird as it seems there is no law about feral cattle in NM ,that I know. I do know what happens when cattle get shot or hit by vehicles. Ranchers all over you.
It is open range still and they have branding twice a year around here. Lots of unbranded culls go to the feed lots, that I see. Lot's of ranchers wind up with free livestock.
Know the new local brand inspector and I will ask him what his take on it is. I'm sure I will get an earfull from the elk and antelope hater...but it is not his jurisdiction.
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sharpshooter97
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When I was out in new mexico a lot of riparian areas along the rio grande and the FS land farther north was really over grazed. Found lots of dead cattle and unbranded as well. I've got no issue with some grazing when its controlled but it seemed to me there wasn't much being done about it.
LopeHunter
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I was on a moose hunt in ID a few years back and cattle were scattered on the BLM portion long after the "mandatory" date for clearing them off. I cussed more than a few times as glassed up another distant black cow. I swore that if I became ruler of the world that black cattle would be removed from the gene pool.
LopeHunter
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The Big Island of Hawaii has feral cattle. Big, stinky and can be hard to locate. I passed on a cattle hunt though these are very different than the milk cow you might have grown up around as a kid.
So I watched the "news" clip again this morning. Found it on the fox news side of the fox/cbs tv stations here in NM. KRQE 13, they ran it on channel 2, the more fox leaning of the two stations. 13 & 2. Same stations, crews,broadcasters. One shows CBS shows at night ,13 and one shows Fox, 2 Idol,Judge J,etc.
YT has some of the feed. Watch it. Tell me what you see & hear.
The shots of dead cattle are NOT in the Gila Wilderness and I doubt on surrounding FS lands.
Looks like a dead cow in a water hole. No hills,ridges,mountains on the horizon. The range cattle shot could be Tejas,but not the Gila, & those cattle are tagged. There is a oil pipeline marker post showing in one on flat ground. Mesquite & cat's claw country, flat range lands without a hill in the distance.
Not the Gila country, could be NM.
NM is still open range. "Where my cattle are graising, my grass" attitude.
Now I am not a cattleman. I have raised cattle, here in NM & elsewhere. Most of the ranch beef I have eaten in NM has been good for burger, that's it.
I also am a former USDA-FS permit holder and know there are rules, regulations. Same rules apply on all permits. Must comply or you loose your cabin, ski resort, pack station, filming permits or graizing lease.
Now I have never been a member of a political party. Decline to state.
None of your business who I vote for. Fought for your right to do as you wish.
This looks to me like a total hit piece by NMCGA and the Republican Party of NM. Same faces . NMCGA runs the RPNM. IMHO. The evil dems are behind this crap.
They are spinning this towards the green FS, wolf people, USFW, greenies are shooting cattle, indiscriminately.
What's next? Hunters? Hikers? Campers are shooting the cattle?
I need to do a dive into some facts. Ask the county Sheriff, Gila FS, some good cattlemen and range users I know. Folks with crap on their boots and filthy crushed hats.
I wish the leases cost 4 times what they do for livestock. Or not at all.
No cattleman worth squat does not know where his or her cattle are, daily if not at all times.
No one just walks away from cattle in NM.
Some one there has the permits around the Wilderness. The USDA-FS leases. A cattleman/woman. They know who's cows those are.
The old west, no laws attitude and I know nothing look the other way gomer mentality does not cut in in 2022.
Airing the story without the full "story" was ,well what we get these days for news.
I'm going over to my neighbors place this week to help drive a ranchers bulls off their place. Been there a year. 5 miles from the ranch. They are trying to fence them out.
YT has some of the feed. Watch it. Tell me what you see & hear.
The shots of dead cattle are NOT in the Gila Wilderness and I doubt on surrounding FS lands.
Looks like a dead cow in a water hole. No hills,ridges,mountains on the horizon. The range cattle shot could be Tejas,but not the Gila, & those cattle are tagged. There is a oil pipeline marker post showing in one on flat ground. Mesquite & cat's claw country, flat range lands without a hill in the distance.
Not the Gila country, could be NM.
NM is still open range. "Where my cattle are graising, my grass" attitude.
Now I am not a cattleman. I have raised cattle, here in NM & elsewhere. Most of the ranch beef I have eaten in NM has been good for burger, that's it.
I also am a former USDA-FS permit holder and know there are rules, regulations. Same rules apply on all permits. Must comply or you loose your cabin, ski resort, pack station, filming permits or graizing lease.
Now I have never been a member of a political party. Decline to state.
None of your business who I vote for. Fought for your right to do as you wish.
This looks to me like a total hit piece by NMCGA and the Republican Party of NM. Same faces . NMCGA runs the RPNM. IMHO. The evil dems are behind this crap.
They are spinning this towards the green FS, wolf people, USFW, greenies are shooting cattle, indiscriminately.
What's next? Hunters? Hikers? Campers are shooting the cattle?
I need to do a dive into some facts. Ask the county Sheriff, Gila FS, some good cattlemen and range users I know. Folks with crap on their boots and filthy crushed hats.
I wish the leases cost 4 times what they do for livestock. Or not at all.
No cattleman worth squat does not know where his or her cattle are, daily if not at all times.
No one just walks away from cattle in NM.
Some one there has the permits around the Wilderness. The USDA-FS leases. A cattleman/woman. They know who's cows those are.
The old west, no laws attitude and I know nothing look the other way gomer mentality does not cut in in 2022.
Airing the story without the full "story" was ,well what we get these days for news.
I'm going over to my neighbors place this week to help drive a ranchers bulls off their place. Been there a year. 5 miles from the ranch. They are trying to fence them out.
Nick87
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I've thought the same thing when I've seen cattle in New Mexico. Thinking to myself it'd be easier to find an elk than these cows that were on pairs or singles just roaming the side of the mountain
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10 years ago I worked for AZDEQ with this older gentleman named Don who grew up near Silver City. Don told me they used to collect cattle off the leases after some time out there (presuming cows with slicks, maybe longer though) and they were mean wild things. What they did was blindfold these beasts and tie the blindfolded cow to a burro. Sometimes coming off the mountains a cow would get bovine rage and leap taking the burro down with it.
I have been on a couple round ups locally. Nuts. And that was just in the Criswell. These things will kill you. LOL
Talked to my logger buddy who is hauling logs out of Collins Park now.
He agrees with the take I have it's political. Pic's sure look like the southern Gila to him too. The cattle pics could be a dead cow in any stock tank and not likely the Gila since there is not a hill to be seen.
They control herds and watch them in the prime leases better. It is also not AS rough to do so.
He said he worked for a rancher down there when he was a kid, branding & moving cattle out. They would see stock up on the cliffs and the rancher would say don't even try. They would be over the ridge into another canyon as soon as you looked at them. Saddle Mtn and the southern Gila Wilderness areas, desert country.
He said it has been an issue for a long time. But not up the nice piney woods elk country that most folks envision. He also said they monitor the watershed areas & stream beds more, both ranchers & FS.
But they are there. Wild cattle. Not hundreds, but small groups. And they did come from ranchers permit leases.
Talked to my logger buddy who is hauling logs out of Collins Park now.
He agrees with the take I have it's political. Pic's sure look like the southern Gila to him too. The cattle pics could be a dead cow in any stock tank and not likely the Gila since there is not a hill to be seen.
They control herds and watch them in the prime leases better. It is also not AS rough to do so.
He said he worked for a rancher down there when he was a kid, branding & moving cattle out. They would see stock up on the cliffs and the rancher would say don't even try. They would be over the ridge into another canyon as soon as you looked at them. Saddle Mtn and the southern Gila Wilderness areas, desert country.
He said it has been an issue for a long time. But not up the nice piney woods elk country that most folks envision. He also said they monitor the watershed areas & stream beds more, both ranchers & FS.
But they are there. Wild cattle. Not hundreds, but small groups. And they did come from ranchers permit leases.
Nick87
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That's where I saw those hank close to the wilderness area in the gila.
old270hunter
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Cattle are good. However feral cattle on our public lands that are rogue, are bad.
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