East Crazy Mountain Land Exchange
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Forkyfinder
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Where their opinion applies matters a lot more than their opinion on a topic. School board, state legislators/judges/exec will all make a way larger difference in those kind of issues. Much like abortion or other third rail political topics.
Also worth considering what is up or down stream in the checks and balances? For example - Busse tries to ban AR15s in the state of MT. I think my odds of drawing 2 supertags might be better than him getting legislation to sign - let alons the courts maintaining that kind of law.
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As a grandparent I watch and keep track of Montana sports. That ain't happening! (I challenge anyone to cite one example in Montana high school sports or even in high school or college sports across the West.) If men or boys playing against girls is a major factor in this political era relative to so many real issues ... and especially public lands issues, then too much koolaid is being ingested.
There are legitimate transgender related issues, but that one is an emotional red herring, Dad. Likely many of those "several other issues" are as well.
Public land access and ownership in the Crazies is a big deal right now, today, currently, at this point in public lands history with you having a voice, particularly with something on the cusp of happening. So support for the right choices is critical.
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This thread is about this issue. Take your party politic bs to Facebook
Straight Arrow
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Ya did it; ya got me! It's time to start wringing our hands and pulling our hair ... as well as a two billion dollar gender verification bill to ascertain the birth sex of any girl's volleyball team. And we better ensure that talented girl place kicker doesn't get a chance to play football with the guys.
This sex based conundrum is outa hand!
Nice lib response. With one example I easily prove that you’re full of shit and your answer is to tell me that I’m stupid and throw Karen-like hypothetical ridiculous scenarios….
As to the point of this whole thread, the land swap, I’ve read through as much of the non-biased documentation that I can find, it looks to me like the public gains way more than they give, and currently nonexistent access will be solidified and that private land owners will pay the majority of the costs. I suppose that’s not good enough for BHA and others, but, I fail to see how this is a horrible deal.
Straight Arrow
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Recenly a new book came out, entitled The Crazies: The Cattleman, the Wind Prospector, and A War Out West. It's the story of ranchers whose land has been in the family for 150 years and whose next generations want to keep the land by continuing cattle, sheep, and ag production. In order to make ends meet they have worked on a plan for years to have wind farms augment income. The neighboring uber wealthy nonresident landowners of Crazy Mountains land have opposed the plan and sued. Montana PSC, as well as Northwestern Energy, has thrown up roadblocks. It is a debacle of frustration for Montana hard working hands-on-the-lands families, seemingly being bullied by rich and powerful entities from elsewhere who are buying up the Crazies and other Montana treasured land at an unbelievable and deplorable rate. The colorful, yet sad story makes Costner's Yellowstone seem like a nursery story.
Reality is a bitch nowadays in the Montana Treasure State!
Reality is a bitch nowadays in the Montana Treasure State!
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I will have to check it out. Thanks for posting. I remember hearing about this a little
Straight Arrow
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So from reading this: https://www.fs.usda.gov/project/custergallatin/?project=63115 , Alternative 1 in section 2.3 (p15) added:
What are everyone's thoughts on this, as it seems to be a done deal? Is this something we can live with? Given my current understanding of everything, it just seems to leave a bad taste in my mouth over Sweetgrass Creek Road.
- Conservation easements on wetlands in the areas
- Allows for building a ski resort on transferred lands in the Inspiration Divide area, under a conservation easement.
- "The lands leaving federal ownership in the Inspiration Divide area (Parcels 8, 9, and 10)
will be protected from development by a conservation easement that will be managed by
Montana Land Reliance. The conservation easement protects open space and preserves
scenic views. The easement allows for skiing, ski resort structures and improvements, and
other appropriate outdoor recreational uses and prohibits subdivision, mineral removal,
construction of new buildings (except as allowed for recreational opportunities). This
conservation easement will be recorded at closing and is a required element of the
exchange"
- "The lands leaving federal ownership in the Inspiration Divide area (Parcels 8, 9, and 10)
- Creates a proposed trail "Sweet Trunk Trail 274" from Big Timber Creek Road.
- "Ensure perpetual public access to the proposed Sweet Trunk Trail No. 274 in Parcel D by
securing an easement for about 1 mile of trail from the landowner. (The landowner will
retain the northern half of Parcel D in this alternative, as shown in Figure 5.)"
- "Ensure perpetual public access to the proposed Sweet Trunk Trail No. 274 in Parcel D by
- Appears to allow for 160 acre "ranchettes" on transferred lands in the Crazies, given no mention of restricting housing development.
- "The lands leaving federal ownership in Sweetgrass Canyon (Parcels 1, 2, 3 and 4) will be
placed under a deed restriction agreement monitored and enforced by the Sweet Grass
County Conservation District. The deed restriction or restrictive covenants would prohibit
subdivision into parcels under 160 acres. The deed restriction would also prohibit mineral
development and exploration (oil, gas, hydrocarbons, hardrock minerals). This deed
restriction agreement will be recorded at closing and is a required element of the exchange.
Other private lands uses such as grazing, recreation, or vegetation management would be
allowed."
- "The lands leaving federal ownership in Sweetgrass Canyon (Parcels 1, 2, 3 and 4) will be
- It appears to have no component regarding road access to Sweetgrass Creek. Access would be hiking the new trail from Big Timber Canyon road, and that seems a long hike over rough terrain, horses probably required if hunting.
What are everyone's thoughts on this, as it seems to be a done deal? Is this something we can live with? Given my current understanding of everything, it just seems to leave a bad taste in my mouth over Sweetgrass Creek Road.
Its awful. Exactly what I thought would happen. The filthy rich elites always get what they want. Disgusting. I predict in my lifetime the Department of the Interior and forest circus will sell out to the trillionaires and my grandkids will be servants. Steve Daines, claiming to be a good Christian-I don’t know how he sleeps at night having facilitated the transfer of God’s country to the wealthiest real estate developers on earth. US government, here to serve and protect the highest bidder
It’s a raw deal, always has been. The rich get richer. The common public landowner loses big time. Sets a terrible precedence of caving to the rich and not defending public access.
Take the time and read the public comment. 95% against.
Sham of a process. This has been a corrupt fleecing of your public lands by politicians, billionaires, and a complicit federal land agency.
Be awesome if there was a real investigation into all of the under the table deals that were made and threats. Netflix documentary worth watching if someone could put it together
Just look around the crazies to see the real motives behind this, sure as hell is not for you to get access to the crazies!
Take the time and read the public comment. 95% against.
Sham of a process. This has been a corrupt fleecing of your public lands by politicians, billionaires, and a complicit federal land agency.
Be awesome if there was a real investigation into all of the under the table deals that were made and threats. Netflix documentary worth watching if someone could put it together
Just look around the crazies to see the real motives behind this, sure as hell is not for you to get access to the crazies!
elkduds
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Yet you keep electing these jackwagons.
Unfortunately people seem to vote only on the national red herring issues these days. The local issues that actually have a bearing on people’s lives fall by the wayside.
I'd recommend everyone listen to (or read) this article - 30 minutes, and worthwhile. Randy is quoted in it too.Looks like this story got picked up by NY Mag.
To Buy a Mountain Range
A group of billionaires is maneuvering to secure acres of prime public land in Montana for personal use. Can anyone stop them?nymag.com
BuzzH
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Anyone catch this?
www.bozemandailychronicle.com
Book on Crazy Mountain wind farm generates insight to wealthy Montana landowners
“It was a modern-day range war in a warming West – a fight for power in its most elemental form,” wrote Amy Gamerman, author of a newly published book.
Irrelevant
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straight arrow linked it above. Pretty freaking ridiculousAnyone catch this?
Book on Crazy Mountain wind farm generates insight to wealthy Montana landowners
“It was a modern-day range war in a warming West – a fight for power in its most elemental form,” wrote Amy Gamerman, author of a newly published book.
ismith
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Book on proposed Crazy Mountain wind farm generates insight to wealthy Montana landowners
In Montana, private property rights are sacred, and several generations of family residency are oft-cited by locals to claim even greater privileges.
www.postregister.com
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