Drilling starts to worry wildlife official
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This may be a problem, but as the over all environmental movement is going, they have been crying wolf on so many issues for so many years when the big ones actually materialize, the fickle sheeple don't care as much
Or when they find out some of the reasons our fuel prices are where they are now is because of to many of our natural resources being locked up
Especially when they look around and don't see the fixes which are taking place are doing much if any thing
If the environmental movement doesn’t look at the handwriting on the wall, there will be nothing put up to be saved
The answer is how can we become more energy independent with out pulling more $$$ out of every ones pockets
Every one has been $$$ to death with saving the world and not seeing the payoffs that were promised to the extent they were promised
Or when they find out some of the reasons our fuel prices are where they are now is because of to many of our natural resources being locked up
Especially when they look around and don't see the fixes which are taking place are doing much if any thing
If the environmental movement doesn’t look at the handwriting on the wall, there will be nothing put up to be saved
The answer is how can we become more energy independent with out pulling more $$$ out of every ones pockets
Every one has been $$$ to death with saving the world and not seeing the payoffs that were promised to the extent they were promised
JoseCuervo
New member
Anybody got a Cheese-English translation dictionary?
Dinkshooter
Well-known member
You can yuck iit up all you want. BUT...........I have been around this fall and let me tell you. You will not see see drilling rigs anywhere like you will see on I-70 between New Castle and Grand Junction. Oak is not crying wolf here.
Dinkshooter
Well-known member
I "think" he is saying we are wrong to be concern about winter range and it is a good thing all this gas exploration/drilling is taking place as he doesn't want to pay high prices for energy??????????????????
While we are crying wolf??????
While we are crying wolf??????
noharleyyet
Well-known member
Hell guys, why not restrict petrocarbon utilization to those who can pass a sanctimonious essay contest....and you 'ologists' can be the judges.
Nah, it's easier to castigate Elkch'sr. Holler if you need another dictionary pointer.
Nah, it's easier to castigate Elkch'sr. Holler if you need another dictionary pointer.
BigHornRam
Well-known member
One of the unintended consequences of locking up places like ANWR and continueing to use more and more "petrocarbon". CHSR can figure that much out Pointer. Certainly you can too? At least this pertocarbon is closer to the point of consumption.......doesn't need to be loaded on a tanker and piloted south by a drunk captain. CHSR's point is we need serious solutions to the energy problems we face. Enviromental roadblocks are not a solution. It will only lead to more unintended consequences.
Well said...
I hear people every day whine about the amount they spend on fuel costs because our energy is tied up litigation suits and held hostage to the unstable environment of the Middle East...
It doesn't matter if there are real concerns now, since the 70's there has been a lot of over zealous 'environmentalists' beating the drum on every little cause no matter how silly
Oaks point may be very valid
The people are starting to close their ears to "ANY" claims coming along no matter how legitimate
Pointer...
I would advise you to take some business classes, maybe then you would have a better understanding of many of my posts...
Until then, you probably won't get most of them... Sorry bud...
(Or you’re just trying to get in Buzz’s good favor by parroting that line of no comprehension)
I hear people every day whine about the amount they spend on fuel costs because our energy is tied up litigation suits and held hostage to the unstable environment of the Middle East...
It doesn't matter if there are real concerns now, since the 70's there has been a lot of over zealous 'environmentalists' beating the drum on every little cause no matter how silly
Oaks point may be very valid
The people are starting to close their ears to "ANY" claims coming along no matter how legitimate
Pointer...
I would advise you to take some business classes, maybe then you would have a better understanding of many of my posts...
Until then, you probably won't get most of them... Sorry bud...
(Or you’re just trying to get in Buzz’s good favor by parroting that line of no comprehension)
noharleyyet
Well-known member
Oaks point may be very valid. (Chaser)
Oaks points are very valid. His threads are always informed, articulate, and most of all, impassioned by genuine habitat concern. IMHO, he's not broad brush anti-extraction but definitely (and rightfully so) pro-reclamation. To what extent practicable, hopefully the prudently objective 'escialists' and 'ologists' weigh in....but hopefully not the looney tune eco'terrists'.
Oaks points are very valid. His threads are always informed, articulate, and most of all, impassioned by genuine habitat concern. IMHO, he's not broad brush anti-extraction but definitely (and rightfully so) pro-reclamation. To what extent practicable, hopefully the prudently objective 'escialists' and 'ologists' weigh in....but hopefully not the looney tune eco'terrists'.
Yes, but it's the general populous which has to be won over
When they are paying going into quadruple fuel prices in so many years, plus every thing else going up
Pay not increasing to meet cost demand (at the moment)
Saving the environment isn't at the top of their priorities...
Maybe after expendable income increases...
Most people don't live near or see any of the damages perpetrated, only their own lost spending power
The big picture isn't about Oak or the region he lives in, it's about the American economy and their propensity to go along with most any thing as long as it's not in their back yard
Problem is, when mob rule was in the ‘ologist’s favor, it was a great thing, now it’s not so great
That’s the problem playing with double edged swards, when thought isn’t given to the outcome of haphazardly swinging it about; over time, it cuts into things that weren’t intended...
And that’s what happened during the 70’s – 90’s when every little environmental issue was played up as if it were the end of the world...
Truly important issues are whitewashed with the sins from 30 years of abuse...
Blame the lawyer’s first, eco terrorists second and 'ologists third for buying into the extremism of the day...
When they are paying going into quadruple fuel prices in so many years, plus every thing else going up
Pay not increasing to meet cost demand (at the moment)
Saving the environment isn't at the top of their priorities...
Maybe after expendable income increases...
Most people don't live near or see any of the damages perpetrated, only their own lost spending power
The big picture isn't about Oak or the region he lives in, it's about the American economy and their propensity to go along with most any thing as long as it's not in their back yard
Problem is, when mob rule was in the ‘ologist’s favor, it was a great thing, now it’s not so great
That’s the problem playing with double edged swards, when thought isn’t given to the outcome of haphazardly swinging it about; over time, it cuts into things that weren’t intended...
And that’s what happened during the 70’s – 90’s when every little environmental issue was played up as if it were the end of the world...
Truly important issues are whitewashed with the sins from 30 years of abuse...
Blame the lawyer’s first, eco terrorists second and 'ologists third for buying into the extremism of the day...
BHR- I'm not in favor of roadblocks. However, I am in favor of incentives or mitigation that allows for extraction with as little impact as practical. What is now occuring in many places is far from that. That I know...
elkchsr- I really don't need a business class; I'm not a business person. Maybe if you'd take a REAL resource management class you could follow my posts better...
elkchsr- I really don't need a business class; I'm not a business person. Maybe if you'd take a REAL resource management class you could follow my posts better...
LOL...
I've had both (unless you consider only the classes you took as "REAL" ...
However, since you’re in the business of utilizing money for your needs to keep working, you need to understand why they (legislators) don't just dole out $millions, or $billions into every project for the environment that comes along...
Who paid for the come back of most of the large game species in North America and why?
Why didn't the legislators (those who fund projects) pony up the money to keep such species from going extinct?
Every thing you do in your line of work (whether you believe it or not) has to do with business and marketing...
Besides, I'm not in the market to change or save the world, you are...
A well rounded education (not one sided as it is now) will give you a better understanding of the bigger picture when you’re finally able to make bigger decisions...
It all comes down to business and marketing decisions (which resource management classes don’t have a tendency to teach) By the way, this last sentence should answer both the questions asked above if you in fact can comprehend it...
You can also believe it or not, but the environmental classes you took and completed were only the first baby step in learning what you will need to know before you finally retire...
It certainly wasn't the finishing touch in understanding you need of the world you live in to function properly...
I've had both (unless you consider only the classes you took as "REAL"
...However, since you’re in the business of utilizing money for your needs to keep working, you need to understand why they (legislators) don't just dole out $millions, or $billions into every project for the environment that comes along...
Who paid for the come back of most of the large game species in North America and why?
Why didn't the legislators (those who fund projects) pony up the money to keep such species from going extinct?
Every thing you do in your line of work (whether you believe it or not) has to do with business and marketing...
Besides, I'm not in the market to change or save the world, you are...
A well rounded education (not one sided as it is now) will give you a better understanding of the bigger picture when you’re finally able to make bigger decisions...
It all comes down to business and marketing decisions (which resource management classes don’t have a tendency to teach) By the way, this last sentence should answer both the questions asked above if you in fact can comprehend it...
You can also believe it or not, but the environmental classes you took and completed were only the first baby step in learning what you will need to know before you finally retire...
It certainly wasn't the finishing touch in understanding you need of the world you live in to function properly...
BuzzH
Well-known member
Elkcheese,
If pointers classes were the baby steps...you havent even left the crib...thats a fact.
You make it sound like you're the "wise" one...with no degree...no decent job...but you do or did own a flophouse in Anaconda.
Glad to see you're putting all the collage business classes you took to good use. So far, they've landed you some good labor intensive $7/hour jobs.
Nice work oh wise one.
If pointers classes were the baby steps...you havent even left the crib...thats a fact.
You make it sound like you're the "wise" one...with no degree...no decent job...but you do or did own a flophouse in Anaconda.
Glad to see you're putting all the collage business classes you took to good use. So far, they've landed you some good labor intensive $7/hour jobs.
Nice work oh wise one.
Pointer states he has a Resource Management background and education and 'chsr states he has both a Resource Management education and business education.
Pointer is just a pup, so certainly lacks experience. 'chsr on the other hand appears to be older and more experienced.
Just curious if you guys wouldn't mind throwing out your resumes with education and experience so I can compare and make an informed decision on who I feel is more knowledgeble on this subject.
thanks much...
Pointer is just a pup, so certainly lacks experience. 'chsr on the other hand appears to be older and more experienced.
Just curious if you guys wouldn't mind throwing out your resumes with education and experience so I can compare and make an informed decision on who I feel is more knowledgeble on this subject.
thanks much...
Thanks and your welcome...
Probably not...
Even knowing your a stand up guy and all, there’s just a certain amount of personal info I'm not willing to put up on this site or send off to people I don’t know, not unlike any one of the individuals who’ve posted on this thread so far...
Besides Craig, what does either of our personal info have to do with drilling and worrying wildlife officials???
You guys always want to take big picture issues and turn them into personal agendas...
Pointer is young enough and new enough that he really can make a difference, not being as entrenched in his ideals as a few of the rest of you guys...
Ol’ Buzz is afraid to the point of paranoia to see any younger people moving up to have a mind of their own and make their own decisions which may differ from his own (I’ve been around enough government types to see the brow beating of subordinates for what it is and I’m not buying into the stupidity of it)
This topic isn't about me; it's not about pointer, or Buzz's silly attempts at personal degradation of others...
It's bigger than Oak and you for that matter...
It has every thing to do with what you guys all want and what you’re not going to get out of the general populace at the moment for reasons mentioned in earlier posts
It doesn't even matter if I agree or disagree with all the drilling going on
It has every thing to do with where we as a populace get our energy and where the drive is going to be in acquiring more...
Attack me all you want, it won't change the outcome...
The outcome being more drilling before less...
More habitats utilized for energy consumption...
Like it or don't; hide your heads in the sand, if you please, I don't really care...
I'm telling you all that you're in positions to subtly change things to benefit wildlife if you think in a business minded sense and get your ideas sold as such...
Keep pounding on the small minded circle jerk agendas (if that’s all you have) and those of you who can help, will see larger failings of what you want as time passes...
P.S. Buzz’s next comment will have some thing to do about not understanding this post, me needing a clue, and will start with cheese or some thing close....
Just a humble opinion among so many greats...
Probably not...
Even knowing your a stand up guy and all, there’s just a certain amount of personal info I'm not willing to put up on this site or send off to people I don’t know, not unlike any one of the individuals who’ve posted on this thread so far...
Besides Craig, what does either of our personal info have to do with drilling and worrying wildlife officials???
You guys always want to take big picture issues and turn them into personal agendas...
Pointer is young enough and new enough that he really can make a difference, not being as entrenched in his ideals as a few of the rest of you guys...
Ol’ Buzz is afraid to the point of paranoia to see any younger people moving up to have a mind of their own and make their own decisions which may differ from his own (I’ve been around enough government types to see the brow beating of subordinates for what it is and I’m not buying into the stupidity of it)
This topic isn't about me; it's not about pointer, or Buzz's silly attempts at personal degradation of others...
It's bigger than Oak and you for that matter...
It has every thing to do with what you guys all want and what you’re not going to get out of the general populace at the moment for reasons mentioned in earlier posts
It doesn't even matter if I agree or disagree with all the drilling going on
It has every thing to do with where we as a populace get our energy and where the drive is going to be in acquiring more...
Attack me all you want, it won't change the outcome...
The outcome being more drilling before less...
More habitats utilized for energy consumption...
Like it or don't; hide your heads in the sand, if you please, I don't really care...
I'm telling you all that you're in positions to subtly change things to benefit wildlife if you think in a business minded sense and get your ideas sold as such...
Keep pounding on the small minded circle jerk agendas (if that’s all you have) and those of you who can help, will see larger failings of what you want as time passes...
P.S. Buzz’s next comment will have some thing to do about not understanding this post, me needing a clue, and will start with cheese or some thing close....
Just a humble opinion among so many greats... Similar threads
