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Do Nonresidents have a reasonable chance of drawing Bison, Moose, Sheep, or Goat tags

Lotta negativity on this thread. Ok, I am the guy who put in for a Idaho unit with 10% NR draw odds, drew the tag, harvested a nice bull.

If you don’t want to apply, please don’t. If you think you might get lucky, please do.

I say…good luck to all that try!
 
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saving the money and just going north and guided hunt can be just as cheap and you can do it right away. if you applying everywhere is a lot money.
Amen I had a good buddy that applied for moose for years and never drew. He finally realized we should head to NF. We had an awesome experience and probably saved money in the long run truth be known. We have also went on two AK DIY hunts for moose and had a blast. Most of these State draws are nothing short of a scheme at this point for NR's unless your close to the top of the pool. Sure once in a blue moon a low point holder draws but be realistic the odds are terrible and the cost isn't cheap for multiple draws.
 
Pretty sure we cleared that all up 5 or 10 post ago but feel free to be an @$$ about it anyway I can take it.
I honestly can't believe you guys are complaining about even 5% non resident drawing odds for bull moose in a state that gives out less than 600 total permits.
We both know that if you pick the right units you will undoubtedly have better than 5% odds.
Can you show me what state a non resident hunter can get a better chance?
I am still waiting for your stats on the high odds NR GMU for the two prior years. Until then, not being an ass. Just working with a difficult student that can easily see the errors of his ways and admit as much that there are zero ID GMUs that have 3 years of 20% or better odds for NR applicants. The species cap of "up to" is the firewall but some years in sheep, goat and bull moose the "up to" is actually around 7% of tags.

As for what state has better odds, who the hell asked? Why are you asking me? Did I claim ID was ranked somewhere among Western states re NR opportunity? If we are just going to toss our red herrings then can you tell me which state has the best tasting elk meat? Or, can show me and anyone who cares how a three year run of GMUs has some NR odds above 10% every year for the past three draws. Otherwise, is letting incorrect information dance around this thread which is not good for anyone who reads your earlier post and then buys the NR license and applies for bull moose in 2022 for a GMU that had amazing odds in 2021 thinking they have a sound application strategy in place.
 
I am still waiting for your stats on the high odds NR GMU for the two prior years. Until then, not being an ass. Just working with a difficult student that can easily see the errors of his ways and admit as much that there are zero ID GMUs that have 3 years of 20% or better odds for NR applicants. The species cap of "up to" is the firewall but some years in sheep, goat and bull moose the "up to" is actually around 7% of tags.

As for what state has better odds, who the hell asked? Why are you asking me? Did I claim ID was ranked somewhere among Western states re NR opportunity? If we are just going to toss our red herrings then can you tell me which state has the best tasting elk meat? Or, can show me and anyone who cares how a three year run of GMUs has some NR odds above 10% every year for the past three draws. Otherwise, is letting incorrect information dance around this thread which is not good for anyone who reads your earlier post and then buys the NR license and applies for bull moose in 2022 for a GMU that had amazing odds in 2021 thinking they have a sound application strategy in place.
To act as if I haven't let Trial153 correct my inaccurate statements is laughable.

Sorry gotta go we are leaving on a moose hunt ;)
 
If any of you non resident hunters want a moose Idaho has about 5 times better odds than the rest of the country.
Lopehunter seem to want to talk down the odds but 5+% is still dam good.
Perhaps he just doesn't want the competition?
 
Reasonable chance no, but someone will draw and if u don't apply it won't be you. Oh yeah that someone was me, I drew a montana NR mountain goat tag this yr.

I won't spend a nickel at a casino or a gaming machine, however I will gamble on the many state lotteries and the lottery tickets from agencies, nonprofits and magazines.
 
nonresidents are screwed over enough by the system. if I die prematurely before cashing in points, the only winner is the state. put a clause in that inheritance of points much be used by a certain date and no further points can be purchased.
That is why they are often referred to as a points scheme. It's not a system it is a scheme.
 
nonresidents are screwed over enough by the system. if I die prematurely before cashing in points, the only winner is the state. put a clause in that inheritance of points much be used by a certain date and no further points can be purchased.
Um no! It’s a choice you make when you decide to apply. If you give to the state for a chance at a Big 3 tag then you let the money go. You don’t get to hang on to it to pass down to your grandkids. That would screw “ the system “ exponentially. Also imagine calculating your odds and being dead certain this was your year only to find out Joe Sheep Hunter had just discovered granny had left him 76 points. Then this thread would be about how the system had screwed you but just in a different way. The points system isn’t ideal in any way but extending it to further generations is like pouring gas on a fire.
 
Most states don’t value or categorize your accumulated bonus or preference points as a vested property right, therefore they are not currently transferable or devisable at death.

For example, see Arizona’s information:

A bonus point is an accumulated credit that authorizes the department to issue an applicant additional computer-generated random numbers during a draw. An applicant accumulates a bonus point each year in which he or she submits a valid application and does not draw a hunt permit-tag.

However, they do offer an insurance-type product with “PointGuard”. I believe that some states will eventually allow the transfer of bonus and preference points at death.

Unfortunately, if our governments don’t constantly change existing laws and write new rules and regulations then they become irrelevant and unnecessary.
 
Can't win if you don't play.
I drew a Tule Elk bull tag where only one permit was issued. Like drawing a sheep tag odds wise.

In the past I would apply in multiple states for sheep and goat until I discovered New Zealand tahr and chamois where I could go every year for the price of airfare.
I still apply for sheep but only in CA and AZ because I have too much invested to quit.
 
Classic case of throwing good money after bad.

Ever heard of the Concorde Fallacy?

Well, I'm doing it too. Stupid. It will end though.
I buy a license in CA because I'm a resident.
I buy an AZ license every year because I live 60 miles from AZ and I hunt it every year.
So why wouldn't I apply for sheep.
 
I am still waiting for your stats on the high odds NR GMU for the two prior years.
I am back from moose hunting to be your gracious student. At the risk of burning a unit I'll go through ones odds with you.

Unit, x
In 2021 it had 4 non resident applications and one drew thats 25%.
In 2020 it had 2 non resident applications and 1 drew thats a solid 50%.
In 2019 it had 3 non resident applications and 1 drew thats 33%.
The success rate.
In 2020 it had 100% harvest success with an average antler width of 38.88".

In 2019 it had 50% harvest with an average width of 38.8.

In 2018 it had 50% harvest with an average width of 44".


In about 15 min of looking I found more than a few other units that have had more than 20% non resident draw odds for the last 3 draw cycles. I don't feel the need to post them.
In contrast for 2021 I can only find 4 buck deer tags that have better than 20% nonres odds and I wouldn't bother with any of them.
I found no limited buck rifle antelope tags over 20%.
Both are very popular for non resident apps
 
I am back from moose hunting to be your gracious student. At the risk of burning a unit I'll go through ones odds with you.

Unit, x
In 2021 it had 4 non resident applications and one drew thats 25%.
In 2020 it had 2 non resident applications and 1 drew thats a solid 50%.
In 2019 it had 3 non resident applications and 1 drew thats 33%.
The success rate.
In 2020 it had 100% harvest success with an average antler width of 38.88".

In 2019 it had 50% harvest with an average width of 38.8.

In 2018 it had 50% harvest with an average width of 44".


In about 15 min of looking I found more than a few other units that have had more than 20% non resident draw odds for the last 3 draw cycles. I don't feel the need to post them.
In contrast for 2021 I can only find 4 buck deer tags that have better than 20% nonres odds and I wouldn't bother with any of them.
I found no limited buck rifle antelope tags over 20%.
Both are very popular for non resident apps
That’s not how simple odds are in Idaho though. You can’t just divide the 2 apps into the 1 tag drawn and say the odds were 50%.
 

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That’s not how simple odds are in Idaho though. You can’t just divide the 2 apps into the 1 tag drawn and say the odds were 50%.
I agree. Kinda. I was wrong with a few of my previous beliefs about Idahos non resident big 3 system but I can say that if their were 2 apps and 1 drew a tag I can say 50% drew a tag. Thats not to say the odds were 50% or that of you applied in the future with one other person that you will receive 50% odds or even a 5% chance at drawing. You could cap out and receive no chance.
But that's not what I was asked/challenged to do.

Regardless some units out performed the odds on a regular basis and I found a pattern to them in about 15 minutes of looking.
This is all semantics if you want a moose Idaho has a reasonable shot thats what the O.P.'s question was. My opinion is that Idaho has dam good non resident moose odds. Beware of those who detour you from doing what they themselves do. When there is one tag it doesn't take a very big jump in apps to drastically change the odds.
 
The answer to the question is NO 😂 you just don’t have good or reasonable odds as a non resident. Elk magnet is correct, I think, that Idaho does have the best odds for non resident moose in some units. There’s a few moose units in Idaho that also suck for moose hunting but there’s a few higher odd units where you could have a good hunt.
 
No. But, if you don’t play the game you have a 0% chance of drawing. I drew a NR cow bison in wyoming this year, and my 9 year old son drew a ewe RMS tag in New Mexico (trying to build my 10 replies so I can post that story 🙄). Granted these are both female tags it makes me feel slightly better about at least getting to hunt both species.
 
Late to the party…

No not residents do not have a reasonable chance of drawing sheep, goat, moose tags.

BUT, neither do residents.

If you want to hunt them DIY or for a reasonable rate, you are going to have to try and draw a tag.

Odds are horrible but it can be done. I killed a great moose in the Yukon a long time ago and have no interest in a little Shiras so I concentrate on sheep. I’ve drawn a CO Rocky and an AZ Desert. Along the way I’ve drawn a UT mountain goat and a September AK Musk Ox, both of which I did DIY and that meant the world to me.

If you have piles of money, just going on hunts is easy. I do not have that luxury.
 
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