Colorado SB 25-003 gun ban defunds CPW

[RookieSeason]

When I moved to Illinois in the early 2000's, I had to obtain a FOID card. Never heard of such a thing. So I got one. And guess what, it didn't change my life in any material way whatsoever. No trauma, no triggering, no prolonged mental health issues, and most importantly, no infringement, perceived or otherwise. I just acted like a normal adult and got on with my life.

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Southern Ill. judge rules parts of state’s FOID Card Act are unconstitutional

A southern Illinois judge has ruled parts of the state’s FOID Card Act are unconstitutional.

www.kfvs12.com

noun
1.
the action of breaking the terms of a law, agreement, etc.; violation.
"copyright infringement"
2.
the action of limiting or undermining something.
"the infringement of the right to privacy"

 

[R.K.]

FOID isn’t bad so long as the state police do their jobs and turn around the paperwork in an appropriate timeframe. If they don’t, then you are up a creek without a paddle- can’t get the card to buy guns or ammo, and it was occasionally pushing a year wait times.

It’s bullshit, but nobody with the power to challenge it wants to do so as that would be political suicide in Illinois.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

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Southern Ill. judge rules parts of state’s FOID Card Act are unconstitutional

A southern Illinois judge has ruled parts of the state’s FOID Card Act are unconstitutional.

www.kfvs12.com

noun
1.
the action of breaking the terms of a law, agreement, etc.; violation.
"copyright infringement"
2.
the action of limiting or undermining something.
"the infringement of the right to privacy"

I guess infringement is in the eye of the beholder. I also got an Illinois drivers license when I was there. My guess is you have one too.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

Would it be a big deal to you if you had to get govt permission to express your opinion (free speech) or would that infringement on that right be onerous to you? The two rights are very close together in the US Constitution.

So did you submit to the 'ol driver's license infringement or did you just get one and get on with your life?

 

[more_cowbell]

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Southern Ill. judge rules parts of state’s FOID Card Act are unconstitutional

A southern Illinois judge has ruled parts of the state’s FOID Card Act are unconstitutional.

www.kfvs12.com

noun
1.
the action of breaking the terms of a law, agreement, etc.; violation.
"copyright infringement"
2.
the action of limiting or undermining something.
"the infringement of the right to privacy"

State charged the woman for having a firearm in her home without an FOID card. Article says the judge ruled the requirement of a FOID Card to defend oneself inside their own home violated the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. “If there exists a place in life where a person should feel safe and protected, it is within the confines of one’s home".

Apparently the case will be again heard by the Illinois Supreme Court for the third time in eight years.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

So did you submit to the 'ol driver's license infringement or did you just get one and get on with your life?

So did you submit to the 'ol driver's license infringement or did you just get one and get on with your life?

Do you acknowledge that there is a difference between a right and a privilege? Driving is not a constitutionally protected right. The SC has held that constitutional rights can be limited, but generally, it is in very specific, rare and extreme circumstances.

Since you are such a huge FOID law fan, I would like to congratulate Illinois on virtually eliminating gun violence and making Chicago the safest city in America through nation-leading, most restrictive gun laws. Surely IL politicians will stop pushing gun control laws now that they have a FOID law and assault weapons ban on the books that have ended gun violence. Oh wait, no they won’t because that would mean they no longer receive millions in campaign donations from Everytown for Mike Bloomberg.

 

[elks]

So did you submit to the 'ol driver's license infringement or did you just get one and get on with your life?

Where does the constitution ensure your right to drive?

 

[RookieSeason]

I guess infringement is in the eye of the beholder. I also got an Illinois drivers license when I was there. My guess is you have one too.

That is an interesting perspective, I have always looked at something like "beauty" being in the eye of the beholder, different people can have a different perspective. Infringement has a definition, and how I understand the circuit court judges findings (having a firearm inside ones home and being charged for not having a FOID card) was unconstitutional and thus an infringement.

I do have a drivers license. I am struggling to see how the two are comparable. One is a right that is protected by the United States Constitution, the other is a law created by Illinois. Driving is a privilege, but the ability for people to keep and bear arms is a right.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

That is an interesting perspective, I have always looked at something like "beauty" being in the eye of the beholder, different people can have a different perspective. Infringement has a definition, and how I understand the circuit court judges findings (having a firearm inside ones home and being charged for not having a FOID card) was unconstitutional and thus an infringement.

I do have a drivers license. I am struggling to see how the two are comparable. One is a right that is protected by the United States Constitution, the other is a law created by Illinois. Driving is a privilege, but the ability for people to keep and bear arms is a right.

tomato, tamato. I guess "infringement" is like pornography. You'll know it when you see it. My point was the requirement to have a FOID card affected me in zero ways in six years of living there. My guess is you would have felt differently. At the end of the day, I did all the things I wanted to do and never felt oppressed. To each their own. If a person wants to feel oppressed, they will find a way to do so.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

Where does the constitution ensure your right to drive?

Same place it requires a license to do so, I guess. I mean, what right do they have to require a license? Are you just giving that to them? sheesh. Such a pushover. LOL

 

[RookieSeason]

tomato, tamato. I guess "infringement" is like pornography. You'll know it when you see it. My point was the requirement to have a FOID card affected me in zero ways in six years of living there. My guess is you would have felt differently. At the end of the day, I did all the things I wanted to do and never felt oppressed. To each their own. If a person wants to feel oppressed, they will find a way to do so.

Quite possibly the funniest thing I have read all day. I dont think anyone is looking to feel oppressed, I am under the impression the number of testimony in opposition far exceed those in favor of SB003, this has not been the norm for Colorado and this is being forced through legislation. It's like we are saying the same thing but view it differently.
Me: that's a dog.
you: that dog won't stop me from living my life. me: umm yeah all I'm saying is it's a dog.

 

[Nick87]

When I moved to Illinois in the early 2000's, I had to obtain a FOID card. Never heard of such a thing. So I got one. And guess what, it didn't change my life in any material way whatsoever. No trauma, no triggering, no prolonged mental health issues, and most importantly, no infringement, perceived or otherwise. I just acted like a normal adult and got on with my life.

Foid card is nothing but a money grab.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

Quite possibly the funniest thing I have read all day. I dont think anyone is looking to feel oppressed, I am under the impression the number of testimony in opposition far exceed those in favor of SB003, this has not been the norm for Colorado and this is being forced through legislation. It's like we are saying the same thing but view it differently.
Me: that's a dog.
you: that dog won't stop me from living my life. me: umm yeah all I'm saying is it's a dog.

glad you find it funny. Like a lot of things we submit to every single day, it's not really necessary but it also doesn't materially interfere with our pursuit of happiness unless we let it.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

Foid card is nothing but a money grab.

Probably so. So is paying taxes on a used boat or car that's been sold twice before. And yet we still do it.

 

[Nick87]

Probably so. So is paying taxes on a used boat or car that's been sold twice before. And yet we still do it.

Only an idiot would praise it.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

Only an idiot would praise it.

True. I didn't see anyone praising it though. I did see bayoublaster mischaracterize my apathy as praise however. Weird.

 

[Nick87]

Like I said.