Colorado Assault Weapons Ban Submitted

[Deleted member 28227]

Perhaps we even talk to them on a daily basis

 

[Deleted member 28227]

Ya'll are a bunch of gun grabbing commie's on here in league democrats...

Or...

 

[Bullbrl]

You aren't having a discussion. You're spraying hypotheticals and engaging in slippery slopes.

Hypotheticals? How do you know for a fact that banning assault weapons will stop mass shootings? Care to share those facts?

Folks here has advocated for gun bans or confiscations. There are a few folks who have brought up the potential for expanding regulations.

If someone said common sense gun reform inevitably people will froth at the mouth over that phrase.

What folks are talking about is something like raising the age for AR style guns: That may have prevented Uvalde. Expanding background checks: That might have prevented Uvalde and Parkland. Maybe a handgun waiting period: That might reduce impulsive suicides.

Expanding background checks? Most of the shooters in these mass shootings were known to have problems or said something ahead of time! In a couple cases our federal govt knew what these people were saying. What would an expanded background check do that a current one wouldn’t? I’m genuinely curious.

Everyone acknowledges that this wont stop all the shootings. It may reduce these high profile events that fan the fire though. That's the discussion.

If, or better yet, when these measures don’t stop or reduce gun violence very much what do we do? Where do we go from there? Does the regular, day to day, gun violence matter or just the high profile events? More people are killed in Chicago in a year than high profile events by a huge margin. So, do we then start going deeper into banning and restrictions.

And before we go into some vast liberal conspiracy, consider that maybe some folks here have more exposure to liberals than you. Perhaps we even talk to them on a daily basis and have legitimate discussions. The vast majority aren't advocating for firearms confiscation.

That’s hilarious! I’m a registered independent and I live in Oregon! I’m around more liberals than you can imagine. We legalize hard drugs, don’t prosecute crimes, encourage people to come to Portland and live on the street…have had a huge increase in murders and shootings. Hmmm, I wonder why that is?

 

[TheReaper8899]

I think there needs to be a point of clarification here as people are arguing a scenario that is not part of reality. This is the Illinois law, the Oregon law as a similar provision, as did the Colorado mag ban, as does the state of MA ban.

All older weapons are grandfathered in, so no one is going door to door, because whatever is in your safe is legal.... now caveat it appears in IL you need to get an affidavit saying you had it before.

Can we tamp down the hyperbole a bit guys and stick to the, still objectionable, facts?

By and large these laws are restricting manufacture and sale not current ownership.

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All older weapons are not automatically grandfathered in without proof of ownership if you are stopped or questioned for any reason. And you get 3 days to prove it. That is more so my concern with it and specifically that time frame being a little short imo. I do agree the scenario I provided is out of reality as the bill is not asking for going door to door so I apologize.

 

[Nick87]

consider that maybe some folks here have more exposure to liberals than you.

I engage with them on hunttalk all the time...

 

[Beignet]

I’m hesitant to keep wading into these threads, but I’m also a glutton for punishment.

Anyone else think this draft bill won’t proceed far and that it’s simply a platitude so a few legislatures can say they “tried” to their particularly blue constituents?

I recall when I lived in TN that members of the state legislature would propose all kinds of batty dead-end bills so they could tell their constituents they were trying to outlaw wearing shorts to school or some such.

Doesn’t look like CO’s governor has been on board with banning anything at all. He’d be important to any such legislation, no?

I try to refrain from posting links per forum rules, but below is a sensible column from the Colorado Sun you can look up on the Google machine.

Guess my summary is, folks ought not lose their marbles every time one person proposes something silly, but also be prepared to mobilize in opposition in case said silliness does gain traction.

 

[FI460]

Hypotheticals? How do you know for a fact that banning assault weapons will stop mass shootings? Care to share those facts?

Where did I say that? Where did I even say I supported such a thing? I think there are some things that could be done that would prevent some of these mass shootings. Certainly not all of them. But some is better than zero.

Expanding background checks? Most of the shooters in these mass shootings were known to have problems or said something ahead of time! In a couple cases our federal govt knew what these people were saying. What would an expanded background check do that a current one wouldn’t? I’m genuinely curious.

Hopefully flag them prior to a shooting occurring. In multiple instances we've seen where a shooter fell through the cracks of the system. Let's patch the cracks instead of tossing out the system. A few years ago The NSSF did a report on how poorly most states report prohibited people. This is a gun industry group. They're one of the primary supporters of the "Fix Nics" act. There is room for improvement.

If, or better yet, when these measures don’t stop or reduce gun violence very much what do we do? Where do we go from there? Does the regular, day to day, gun violence matter or just the high profile events? More people are killed in Chicago in a year than high profile events by a huge margin. So, do we then start going deeper into banning and restrictions.

Yes and no. We have a discussion about it at the time. We should support expanding efforts to track down gang related gun trafficking in Chicago as well as reducing the frequency of these high profile shootings. None of this is binary.

That’s hilarious! I’m a registered independent and I live in Oregon! I’m around more liberals than you can imagine. We legalize hard drugs, don’t prosecute crimes, encourage people to come to Portland and live on the street…have had a huge increase in murders and shootings. Hmmm, I wonder why that is?

Independents are a political party here. I'm an unaffiliated voter. I don't join cults.

I can imagine quite a few liberals. I live in Ashland. We make Bend look like it's still a cow town.

 

[DouglasR]

I engage with them on hunttalk all the time...

There’s a lot of sellouts on here.

 

[DouglasR]

There’s a lot of sellouts on here.

Aka guys who only ski presidents and mlk day weekend.

 

[noharleyyet]

Aka guys who only ski presidents and mlk day weekend.

Paid Time Off

 

[TOGIE]

Aka guys who only ski presidents and mlk day weekend.

i don't ski at all anymore.

cali and texas bros ruined it all 10 years ago.

thinkin about taking up cross country skiing at eldora tho

 

[Bullbrl]

Where did I say that? Where did I even say I supported such a thing? I think there are some things that could be done that would prevent some of these mass shootings. Certainly not all of them. But some is better than zero.



Hopefully flag them prior to a shooting occurring. In multiple instances we've seen where a shooter fell through the cracks of the system. Let's patch the cracks instead of tossing out the system. A few years ago The NSSF did a report on how poorly most states report prohibited people. This is a gun industry group. They're one of the primary supporters of the "Fix Nics" act. There is room for improvement.



Yes and no. We have a discussion about it at the time. We should support expanding efforts to track down gang related gun trafficking in Chicago as well as reducing the frequency of these high profile shootings. None of this is binary.



Independents are a political party here. I'm an unaffiliated voter. I don't join cults.

I can imagine quite a few liberals. I live in Ashland. We make Bend look like it's still a cow town.

Exactly, we already have the mechanisms in place and many times info about the intent of many of these mass shooters ahead of time. Let’s use what we have already have first before we start going to extremes.

Chicago is an interesting case because we all know what is going on but nothing is really being done about it. My brother in law is with Portland PD and a good friend of his from college is with Chicago PD. From what I have heard from him is that it’s almost like a “hands off” approach there. They are strongly discouraged to even chase suspects down during shootings. So, what message does send? People say gun violence is a problem yet their actions to curb it don’t show that intent, yet more gun laws are supposed to help??? On that note, being from Oregon, have you seen the news of the last 10 days on how many felons have been either pulled over, detained, etc in Portland who gave outstanding warrants or were let out on “bail” yet had guns in their possession? Just the one from yesterday on the traffic stop of the guy having a sawed off shotgun and pistols. Criminals obviously don’t care about laws and they certainly care even less when nothing is done to them when they are caught.

Ashland, ouch.

 

[buckbull]

All older weapons are not automatically grandfathered in without proof of ownership if you are stopped or questioned for any reason. And you get 3 days to prove it. That is more so my concern with it and specifically that time frame being a little short imo. I do agree the scenario I provided is out of reality as the bill is not asking for going door to door so I apologize.

Damn. Thanks for posting. I guess I need to sit down and read the entire law. I have an AR that was gifted to me by my uncle prior to his death. I can't prove ownership. If I register the AR according to the IL law, does that constitute ownership?

I also wonder if I convert the ARs to a bolt action rifle with a Kali Key if they would be legal and not require registration?

 

[Benfromalbuquerque]

Oregon sounds like a dangerous place filled with lethal criminal goons.

 

[LWC55]

Oregon sounds like a dangerous place filled with lethal criminal goons.

Mostly in the cities controlled by the same political party for decades. Correlation or causation?

 

[Bullbrl]

Oregon sounds like a dangerous place filled with lethal criminal goons.

It’s getting that way in Portland more so each day. It’s no longer the city I grew up in.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

Oregon sounds like a dangerous place filled with lethal criminal goons.

Terrifying...

 

[Bullbrl]

Terrifying...

I don’t know which is scarier, the guns or the yuppie weirdo liberals. Keep Portland Weird!!

 

[Benfromalbuquerque]

You see what we just did there? Yeah… NM has more than 3x the homicide rate of OR. Portland is safe. Those purple-haired left-handed nonbinaries ain’t going to hurt anyone.

 

[Benfromalbuquerque]

Terrifying...

You seen “Documentary Now”?! Armisen as Kanuk is soooo good.