Bush Administration VS. Bull trout...

[JoseCuervo]

Hey Nemont,

I was hoping to be one of your "peeps", so we could ride around in the new Escalade you were gonna buy. Listen to a little Usher, cruise up and down the main street in Whitewater.

Hey Cheese,
Instead of ruining threads, why don't you read the post, and then comment on your opinions of Dubya choosing to destroy habitat to the Bull Trout. Are you for or against having Bull Trout in the Northwest? If you are against it, fine, post as such, and shut up.

And as for SI, it moves along just fine. During your stay at the Hospital in Warm Springs, this forum was plenty active and had many educational topics. I would have guessed the Doctors at the hospital would have cautioned you from reading these types of posts, as they sometimes seemed to have pushed you toward your break-downs.

Hey BHR,
Do you think we should try and recover Bull Trout in their historical range?

 

[BigHornRam]

"Do you think we should try and recover Bull Trout in their historical range?"

I think we should try to recover bull trout populations but not if it means stopping all logging in their historical range.

I think we should try to restore the salmon, but not if it means taking out all the dams.

my opinions and end of debate for me. carry on if you wish

 

[BuzzH]

Hey! Progress, I agree with BHR.

We only need to take out 4 dams on the Snake River to restore salmon...certainly not all of them...so I agree with that.

We certainly dont need to stop logging in all areas to restore bull trout, in fact maybe just things like shelterwood cuts and buffer zones would be all we need for bull trout recovery...along with maybe no cutting in the most critical habitat.

 

[Delw]

Keep up the attacks and I will start to ruin every thread until it stops.
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Simple enough?
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Drop the attacks and I will cease....
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Simple enough?

No you wont

How come I am getting dejavu? somehow I am thinking in one of your next posts your going to be threatening to kick everyones ass




Delw

 

[MattK]

BHR- Sounds like you're picking up your toys and going home. Although your opinions, as I see it, stradle the fence. I want salmon and dams, I want bull trout and industry.

I agree these aren't mutually exclusive but I believe the article is about the ESA and GW trying to loosen restrictions on bull trout habitat. I do not believe that this should happen. The restrictions are in place to help a threatened species. Do you feel the restrictions should be loosened?

 

[JoseCuervo]

Wow! Cheese got Spanked!!!

No you wont

How come I am getting dejavu? somehow I am thinking in one of your next posts your going to be threatening to kick everyones ass

Delw

LMAO!!!!


Hey BHR,
If the Bull Trout can be saved (or the Salmon) without negative economic impact to State GDPs would it be ok to take whatever means necessary?

 

[ELKCHSR]

Nemont.....
I will opologize to you (and those that have watched me know I don't apologize often, but am big enough to do it when it warrents) and here it warrents....
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LMAO Del.....
what your telling me is that I am not allowed to call names and carry on, but others are?
Why the double standards?
"Cheese,

You dont have a clue."
"Cheese,
Please provide a translator for your rambling thought process.
Way to not address the issue...keep that head in the sand."
"Cheese,"
"cheese,"
"cheese"
"Hey Cheese,"
"Cheese's "
"Hey Cheese,"
"Wow! Cheese got Spanked!!! "
And that was only in this thread, and I am supposed to show respect and restraint?
Any way....
I was seeing some posts on the extraction industrie in these posts, and even if no one likes the thought of this, all of the topics we talk about fit together into one big puzzle, interlocking and becoming one. That is why it is so easy for any one, and every one, to get away from the actual heading of most any thing posted. And there are none that post here that are not guilty of this. It happens all of the time by every one of us. The place it steps out of line is this....

LMAO Del.....
I have never on this board told any one that I would kick any ones ass...
This is the internet
It's so very hard to break noses and leave bruises with the written word.
I don't live or act that way any way, I am who I am and I am not two faced as are a few others around. Those that have met me know this. I have nothing to hide or any one to hide behind. I live at home as I live here. There are two individuals I could name that just can't seem to get that concept. It is their only escape from the reality they are trapped in, poor fellows any way...
But..........
To keep this on topic, well sort of......
I don't worry to much about what those in Washington do out here, there is nothing I can do to change what they want to implement and will just go along with the flow of their decisions. By the time locals in a region find out some thing is coming down the turn pike, those back East have already put the ball into major motion and it is to big to stop on this end....
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I do my own little part by turning those fishes loose that are not allowed to be kept, or those that I don't see many of in the streams and rivers around here, including Rainbows and Cutthroats.

In every thing I have seen with the way logging is done any more, strips of timber are left along the waterway's, and driving/dragging logs thru them from all of the rules I have seen is strictly prohibited. I would suppose a few break the rules, but I am not seeing it. So those parts have been set up for protection already.
Of course I don't walk or travel over the whole U.S., but I do cover a lot of ground every year, and as a representation of what I have seen, logging isn't the large problem to the fish industry that is touted.
The mining industry is the same way.
As it goes for petroleums brought out of the Earth, if much of any of these end up in any water way's, the media makes certain every one knows about it, and I haven't heard any thing from them on that part of it.
So the big problem comes down to what really is making these fish disapper from the landscape?
I see what people bring up as thinking of potential problems, but nothing that is actually causing of the problem.
And if there is an actual cause that is fixable, what is it people here on this particular board can help to fix?
I'm not a heavy activist as some here are, but do make meetings on issues with the game dept. and do put my 2 cents in when I can...
Theres the topic....
Wheres the answeres?

 

[BigHornRam]

Gunner,

What are you proposing?

"If the Bull Trout can be saved (or the Salmon) without negative economic impact to State GDPs would it be ok to take whatever means necessary?"

Give Montana a big bucket of fed money so we can hire a fleet of Buzz's to sit on the ass and play on their internet bad mouthing logging, ranching, atv's, snowmobiles, mining, ect........... ? If this will help the Bull Trout, I guess we can give it a try.

 

[ELKCHSR]

LMAO!!!! That is funny!!!

 

[JoseCuervo]

Gunner,

What are you proposing?

"If the Bull Trout can be saved (or the Salmon) without negative economic impact to State GDPs would it be ok to take whatever means necessary?"

Give Montana a big bucket of fed money ..... If this will help the Bull Trout, I guess we can give it a try.

Just trying to figure out if you are against Hunting and Fishing, or if you support Hunting and Fishing, as long as you are able to live at whatever Standard of Living you deem necessary.

Are you willing to make a sacrafice of $0.01, $1.00, $10.00, $100.00, or $1,000.00? Are we arguing "price" here, or if Bull Trout, or Salmon, or which ever endangered specie we are discussing are worth saving, because it is the RIGHT thing to do? And if you had kids, would that change your mind?

 

[BigHornRam]

Gunner,

Nice Micheal Moron edit job. You left out the best part of my post. Now I know what it's like to do a 60 minutes interview.

BTW I'm willing to bet that your required standard of living is WAYYYYY more consumptive than mine. Take for example all the snowmobiles, the jet boat, the atvs, and the rest of your assortment of clutter stacked up in front of your R2 insulated double wide.

 

[JoseCuervo]

Paul,

Nice job of doing a "Rumsfield" and not answering the question.... hump

Would you spare a $0.01 for improved wild Salmon and/or Bull Trout populations?

And if you had a flippin' clue about construction, you would know that 2x6 walls have way more than R2 insulation. |oo

 

[BigHornRam]

Gunner,

I'm for common sense. If some of my money can actually help the endangered specie, I'm for it. If it is just going to be pissed away, I'm not. If the endangered specie is just going to be used as a tool for the enviro's agenda, no dinero.

Here's my whole post which you shamelessly edited......

"Give Montana a big bucket of fed money so we can hire a fleet of Buzz's to sit on the ass and play on their internet bad mouthing logging, ranching, atv's, snowmobiles, mining, ect........... ? If this will help the Bull Trout, I guess we can give it a try."

Note to the 3 fools: This is called sarcasm.

 

[JoseCuervo]

Gunner,

I'm for common sense. If some of my money can actually help the endangered specie, I'm for it. If it is just going to be pissed away, I'm not. If the endangered specie is just going to be used as a tool for the enviro's agenda, no dinero.

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Great, now we know that you are willing to pay SOME money for improved fishing and hunting. Now like a cheap Crack Whore, we are just negotiating your price... Would you pay $0.02 more per loaf of bread?

 

[BigHornRam]

Gunner,

The only cheap crack whore I see around here is you, I and don't think there's any value in what your nasty snatch has to offer.

 

[JoseCuervo]

So we know that you would spring for a $0.01, but not for $0.02 per loaf of bread? Sorry to hear that Dubya's economic recovery has left you behind....

It must be tough for you to have visions of being the great white hunter, but not being able to afford to protect the resources.

 

[BigHornRam]

gutter,

You took the whole bottle of asshole pills this morning, didn't you?

I'll debate you when they wear off, your not making any sense right now.

 

[ELKCHSR]

HAHAHA!!!!!
I see gunner get like this when he starts to fall behind in a debate/argument.
If you can't come up with some thing constructive/possitive, smear the individual and that will make one win....
The funniest thing is, the talk show hosts all when going down the list on how libs argue, (they don't debate), is to degrade and try to tear down the individual with what ever false things that role off the top of their heads when they are losing, instead of trying to come up with a new angle.... Of course a true debate is one that is done with common sense, when one only runs off thier heart, facts just don't matter....
This is so very textbook....