Black powder substitutes?

[Papsqueeg]

Here in Pa I go to Dixons in Kutztown. It' a small muzzleloading shop which usually stocks not only Goex, but Swiss, and sometimes Elephant powders in all granulations.
They have a website, that may answer any questions.

As for blackpowder substitutes, 777 is decent.

i go to richs outdoor world in summerville,pa for powder call ahead and they will reserve you some.

 

[bobcat_trapper]

Went into a shop Friday. They had several cans of blackhorn 209. It was 85.00 plus tax a can. I fount a deal from a local guy. He was selling his muzzle loader stuff. I bought 4 10 oz cans for 80.00. Best deal I got in a long time. Arkansas has passed the straight wall cartridge. Usage during muzzle loader season. I was going to look at a 450 bushmaster. When I bought the 4 cans. I have enough blackhorn to do me know.

 

[TX Trophy Hunter]

I wanted to try bh209 but am not really in a position to sell a kidney right now so I just use 777 and things still seem to get dead after I shoot them

 

[Chris d1971]

Took two deer this year using American pioneer powder sub. Wish they still made in it.

 

[Sheltowee]

Took two deer this year using American pioneer powder sub. Wish they still made in it.

Pretty sure the Shooters World Multi-Purpose Black is the same product. I've seen it on the shelf at Scheels fairly regularly and also stocked by most of the reputable internet sellers.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

I just picked up my new 45 caliber inline yesterday.

Growing up I have always used Goes black powder.
Alas, now finding actual black powder to buy just isn't going to happen.
Aside from making my own.

So looking at substitutes, which is a better choice?
I really didn't care for Pyrodex. Corrosive.

Triple 7 is and has always been my go-to. Easy water cleanup, readily available, great velocities and very accurate. I shot through two cans of BH 209 and I know a lot of people sing its praises, but I'm going back to Triple 7 next year and not looking back.

 

[WildWill]

Triple 7 is and has always been my go-to. Easy water cleanup, readily available, great velocities and very accurate. I shot through two cans of BH 209 and I know a lot of people sing its praises, but I'm going back to Triple 7 next year and not looking back.

I was impressed with what I saw on the range from the BH209. What wasn't impressive was the 2 failure to fires while hunting in the two years I used it. In 10+ years of using I've never had it fail while hunting which is why I switched back.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

I was impressed with what I saw on the range from the BH209. What wasn't impressive was the 2 failure to fires while hunting in the two years I used it. In 10+ years of using I've never had it fail while hunting which is why I switched back.

Yea, I forgot to mention this sneaky little feature of BH209 - that you MUST use full-strength (read, overpowered) 209 shotgun primers, which of late have been hard to find. I have a stockpile of 209 ML primers, and was forced to hunt with those this season, but upon "unloading" my rifle at the end of the last day, I had a hang fire and the bullet impact was a good 12" low at 100 yards, so I probably would have missed whatever I was shooting at anyway. Right then and there I swore I'd never use it again. Never once had that problem with Triple 7, even with #10 or #11 caps in an old Ruger 77/50. Killed a lot of deer with that combo over the years, out to 140 yards.

 

[Sheltowee]

Yea, I forgot to mention this sneaky little feature of BH209 - that you MUST use full-strength (read, overpowered) 209 shotgun primers, which of late have been hard to find. I have a stockpile of 209 ML primers, and was forced to hunt with those this season, but upon "unloading" my rifle at the end of the last day, I had a hang fire and the bullet impact was a good 12" low at 100 yards, so I probably would have missed whatever I was shooting at anyway. Right then and there I swore I'd never use it again. Never once had that problem with Triple 7, even with #10 or #11 caps in an old Ruger 77/50. Killed a lot of deer with that combo over the years, out to 140 yards.

BH209 definitely does best with 209M primers and a BH-specific breech plug. I have the Arrowhead conversion unit installed in my Remington 700 Ultimate (no 50x scope on board, though, this is Colorado after all) that uses LRM primers. Ignition with that setup is pretty much identical to a centerfire.