Big bucks for big bucks.

[seeth07]

How much

Post in thread 'App fee increase bill' https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/app-fee-increase-bill.327604/post-3876422

 

[Forkyfinder]

Post in thread 'App fee increase bill' https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/app-fee-increase-bill.327604/post-3876422

Cost to apply =/ final cost

 

[seeth07]

Cost to apply =/ final cost

Correct, not yet. But it's getting close

 

[Forkyfinder]

Correct, not yet. But it's getting close

Point being - you get a refund...

 

[seeth07]

Point being - you get a refund...

No, that is the NET after refunds

 

[seeth07]

If you want to get a quality elk tag right now, you have two main options.

One is you could buy a CO or NM voucher. 5k to 8k is for sure available and I've even seen cheaper right before season starts.

Option two is you can bomb all of the western applications and land a tag in a draw. Statistically, if you have an app in each state with an average odds of 8%, you should on average get a tag a year. Here is that cost which includes buying points as it keeps all states apples to apples and is somewhat necessary to draw in states. These are also basic costs, not including processing fees.

AK = $190
AZ = $175
CA = $213
CO = $117
ID = $223
MT = $226 (somewhere around there depending on what you do)
NV = $174
NM = $78
OR = $180
UT = $135
WA = $608
WY = $67

Total is about $2319.

 

[Nick87]

If you want to get a quality elk tag right now, you have two main options.

One is you could buy a CO or NM voucher. 5k to 8k is for sure available and I've even seen cheaper right before season starts.

Option two is you can bomb all of the western applications and land a tag in a draw. Statistically, if you have an app in each state with an average odds of 8%, you should on average get a tag a year. Here is that cost which includes buying points as it keeps all states apples to apples and is somewhat necessary to draw in states. These are also basic costs, not including processing fees.

AK = $190
AZ = $175
CA = $213
CO = $117
ID = $223
MT = $226 (somewhere around there depending on what you do)
NV = $174
NM = $78
OR = $180
UT = $135
WA = $608

Total is about $2319.

You forgot wyoming and you don't have to buy an AZ license every year.

 

[Nick87]

Heck thinking about that, if every western state had eplus for elk, I'd bet those tag costs would be more than cut in half across the board due to the huge increase in supply and the cost to just buy a voucher would be cheaper than the app fees to apply and try and get one in all those states. That's crazy to think about for the argument of "I don't like privatization wildlife because it's only for rich people to buy the tags then". We are already there but it's just the states doing it

In no world is the E-plus the answer to that problem.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Look, I know that the NM system isn't great. Compared to the Kentucky voucher system, it's garbage. That is because it is the outfitters and big pockets that drove the creation and details of the program.

Kentuckys program was built from the department of natural resources and locals (mostly mining companies) that really wanted to see the elk flourish on the landscape and it worked.

I'm positive that in someway Wyoming could use landowner vouchers that provides a win from everyone involved - the rancher, the state, the public land hunter and the private land hunter. I'd start with Kentuckys model and tweak it from there. This won't be done though because this bill is driven from just the perspective of two groups (the rancher and the private land hunter) without likely any support during its revisions from the other two.

I get what your saying, but wyomings elk herd is not like Kentucky or Pennsylvania. Totally different processes management and tag allocation wise. So I don't think it's as simple as it sounds on paper.

 

[seeth07]

I get what your saying, but wyomings elk herd is not like Kentucky or Pennsylvania. Totally different processes management and tag allocation wise. So I don't think it's as simple as it sounds on paper.

The one thing that is the same is what impacts the elks ability to grow - social acceptance. Kentucky and Penn it didn't take much. Way more complicated out west where elk compete on the landscape with cattle.