Biden Plan to End Online Ammo Sales

[VikingsGuy]

We are one of the last bastions of freedom in the world. The 2A is a big part of that....although many will minimize its impact. Folks from other parts of the world seem to be more appreciative of it than Americans. I guess you don't know what you have 'til it's gone.

I love this country and would rather live here than anywhere else in the world but let's be a little less myopic in our understanding. The Cato Institute Human Freedom Index has the US 15th in ranking of freedom (we are actually 26th in personal freedom but our economic freedom score of 7th helps us out). Canada is #1. According to the American Enterprise Institute 67% of the world's population lives in a functioning democracy. We are no longer (if we ever were to start with) the primary bastion of freedom. Yes this country is great, yes we have helped carry the banner of constitutional democracy along with the rest of Western Europe but we are not the only free people, we aren't even the freest people.

 

[Nick87]

Nah, I'm not sure that's true. I do believe that rules need to evolve with the times and in this case, the technology. However, we have brains. We should be smart enough to figure out how to do that and not be bound by the specific circumstances people found themselves in 250 years ago.

These days, I worry more about my life savings being stolen electronically than I do about defending myself from a tyrannical government.

If you come to the point where youcan't defend yourself from a tyrannical government I doubt that life savings will be nearly as important at that time.

 

[Irrelevant]

If you come to the point where youcan't defend yourself from a tyrannical government I doubt that life savings will be nearly as important at that time.

I can tell you right now I personally can't defend myself from the US govt. I barely bested the damn marmot.

 

[VikingsGuy]

If you come to the point where youcan't defend yourself from a tyrannical government I doubt that life savings will be nearly as important at that time.

Maybe all the subjects of Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, Canada, etc see so little importance in their savings they should just send them all to me. I will happily PM my bank account number to those afflicted soles. (sarcasm alert)

 

[VikingsGuy]

I can tell you right now I personally can't defend myself from the US govt. I barely bested the damn marmot.

Did I miss the update on final resolution of the great marmot debacle of 2020?

 

[LWC55]

Maybe all the subjects of Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, Canada, etc see so little importance in their savings they should just send them all to me. I will happily PM my bank account number to those afflicted soles. (sarcasm alert)

I see you left out Finland....probably for the best

 

[VikingsGuy]

I see you left out Finland....probably for the best

They fit nicely within "etc" But they are #8 on Cato's list and have mandatory gun registration.

 

[Irrelevant]

Did I miss the update on final resolution of the great marmot debacle of 2020?

yes. https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/theres-a-marmot-in-my-truck.298720/page-6
#113

 

[VikingsGuy]

yes. https://www.hunttalk.com/threads/theres-a-marmot-in-my-truck.298720/page-6
#113

Thanks - a much better time on HuntTalk

 

[Nick87]

Maybe all the subjects of Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, Canada, etc see so little importance in their savings they should just send them all to me. I will happily PM my bank account number to those afflicted soles. (sarcasm alert)

Maybe all the subjects of Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, Canada, etc see so little importance in their savings they should just send them all to me. I will happily PM my bank account number to those afflicted soles. (sarcasm alert)

That sounds good right after you wave your 2A and send your guns my way. edit I remember the thread about the top 10 affordable rifles. Send them to someone else. All sarcasm btw.

 

[LWC55]

I love this country and would rather live here than anywhere else in the world but let's be a little less myopic in our understanding. The Cato Institute Human Freedom Index has the US 15th in ranking of freedom (we are actually 26th in personal freedom but our economic freedom score of 7th helps us out). Canada is #1. According to the American Enterprise Institute 67% of the world's population lives in a functioning democracy. We are no longer (if we ever were to start with) the primary bastion of freedom. Yes this country is great, yes we have helped carry the banner of constitutional democracy along with the rest of Western Europe but we are not the only free people, we aren't even the freest people.

I'm sure it is a fine list. Feel free to list the 25 ahead of us with more personal freedom. And for the 67% there is a fair chance many of them wouldn't have it if the US didn't have 2A. How many democratic countries were there before the World Wars?

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

If you come to the point where youcan't defend yourself from a tyrannical government I doubt that life savings will be nearly as important at that time.

I think you misunderstood. I think the likelihood of losing my life savings to an electronic thief is greater than having to deal with a tyrannical govt. But I suppose the latter is more interesting to talk about.

 

[Nick87]

I think you misunderstood. I think the likelihood of losing my life savings to an electronic thief is greater than having to deal with a tyrannical govt. But I suppose the latter is more interesting to talk about.

I understood what you were getting at, was just looking at it from a different perspective.

 

[stealthy_bowman]

Here's a more sensible solution to gun violence, "10 year mandatory minimum for illegal firearm possession" this suggestion came from a Brooklyn community advocate who is completely distraught at the incredible increase in gun violence in NYC over the last several weeks. NYC has become an utter sh*t show with gun violence since the NYPD has essentially been sidelined. Now NYC's idiot mayor is going to take away $1B from their funding and AOC states that this is not enough, clamoring for complete defunding of the force...
I literally feel like we are living in the Twilight Zone!

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

I'm sure it is a fine list. Feel free to list the 25 ahead of us with more personal freedom. And for the 67% there is a fair chance many of them wouldn't have it if the US didn't have 2A. How many democratic countries were there before the World Wars?

I'll agree with you to a point - that if not for the knowledge that the US will come to their rescue, a lot of nations wouldn't be nearly as wealthy as they are today. Having 350M Americans pick up the bill for keeping you safe sure frees up a lot of capital. This is one of the few areas I agree with the pres. - that so many other 1st world nations need to pay their share for their own defense. We certainly shouldn't have to subsidize it.

I know that's an oversimplification though, as there are probably financial benefits to us to have free markets to do business with, yada, yada, yada.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

I understood what you were getting at, was just looking at it from a different perspective.

You're not wrong!

 

[VikingsGuy]

That sounds good right after you wave your 2A and send your guns my way. edit I remember the thread about the top 10 affordable rifles. Send them to someone else. All sarcasm btw.

If I ever waive my 2A rights you can expect a large shipment. But of course let's not forget an important legal disclaimer, "being educated on the history and jurisprudence of the 2A rather than reciting an NRA flier created sometime after 1975 SHALL NOT be deemed a waiver of my 2A rights, nor shall expressing an understanding of the positions of those with whom I may disagree."

[and for context, I am actually an NRA member - all be it, one that thinks they need new leadership and fewer emails asking for more money]

 

[VikingsGuy]

I'm sure it is a fine list. Feel free to list the 25 ahead of us with more personal freedom. And for the 67% there is a fair chance many of them wouldn't have it if the US didn't have 2A. How many democratic countries were there before the World Wars?

Regarding the 25, feel free to google it - I am not your librarian assistant.

As for WW2, during WW2 the 2A did not provide a private right to bear arms - so the sacrifice of our grandfathers did the work of freedom without its protection. And for history buffs, Gandhi (a Hindi anarchist) brought more people into democracy than our Founding Fathers or our grandfathers.

 

[Trial153]

I love this country and would rather live here than anywhere else in the world but let's be a little less myopic in our understanding. The Cato Institute Human Freedom Index has the US 15th in ranking of freedom (we are actually 26th in personal freedom but our economic freedom score of 7th helps us out). Canada is #1. According to the American Enterprise Institute 67% of the world's population lives in a functioning democracy. We are no longer (if we ever were to start with) the primary bastion of freedom. Yes this country is great, yes we have helped carry the banner of constitutional democracy along with the rest of Western Europe but we are not the only free people, we aren't even the freest people.

I always knew you were a Heritic .

 

[MTLabrador]

I always knew you were a Heritic .