Biden Plan to End Online Ammo Sales

[Justabirdwatcher]

Back to the original title, I am questioning what banning on line ammo sales is going to accomplish. I buy 16 gauge ammo by the case each year.

Even internet gun sales go through an FFL. Head scratcher for sure.

I think it's just an irrational fear of some kid in their basement ordering ammo online and having it shipped to their home.

People have to produce an ID to buy a can of spray paint these days. They are probably wanting to go that direction with ammo sales - to pass a background check or some such thing.

 

[VikingsGuy]

Sorry, it took so long to reply because my family and I were at the NRA range exercising our 2A right to bear arms. Exercised it about 400 times I think.


Thanks for taking the time to understand and support your rights.

Cool, I got the son, his friend and 5 female nieces out to the range and exercised our 2A rights about 1500 times. I will need to make sure I replenish my online purchases before the election

As for our rights, I choose to support them through constructive understanding and discussion on both sides, not idle threats of violent resistance -- but to each their own.

 

[LWC55]

It's an interpretation, which is what they were hired to do. Did any of them actually come out and say they were against an individual's right to bear arms, or just certain arms? Disagreeing on what constitutes "arms" is quite different than wanting the entire 2A removed. I guess that's why there are 9 of them though.

"The Second Amendment has a preamble about the need for a militia ... Historically, the new government had no money to pay for an army, so they relied on the state militias," she said. "The states required men to have certain weapons and they specified in the law what weapons these people had to keep in their home so that when they were called to do service as militiamen, they would have them. That was the entire purpose of the Second Amendment."

Ginsburg said the disappearance of that purpose eliminates the function of the Second Amednment.

"It's function is to enable the young nation to have people who will fight for it to have weapons that those soldiers will own," she said. "I view the Second Amendment as rooted in the time totally allied to the need to support a militia. So ... the Second Amendment is outdated in the sense that its function has become obsolete.

It doesn't take to much interpretation to see Ginsburg is against 2A.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

"The Second Amendment has a preamble about the need for a militia ... Historically, the new government had no money to pay for an army, so they relied on the state militias," she said. "The states required men to have certain weapons and they specified in the law what weapons these people had to keep in their home so that when they were called to do service as militiamen, they would have them. That was the entire purpose of the Second Amendment."

Ginsburg said the disappearance of that purpose eliminates the function of the Second Amednment.

"It's function is to enable the young nation to have people who will fight for it to have weapons that those soldiers will own," she said. "I view the Second Amendment as rooted in the time totally allied to the need to support a militia. So ... the Second Amendment is outdated in the sense that its function has become obsolete.

It doesn't take to much interpretation to see Ginsburg is against 2A.

I don't see that as a statement against the 2A so much as she recognized it was needed at the time it was written and is now outdated. We can disagree with that interpretation, but again, it's why they were hired and why we have 9 of them. I think a lot of people - and even many gun owners I know - would agree that the 2A could use some updating. We're going to get there one way or the other with technology changing how we define "arms." Look at the recent taser decisions for example.

 

[geetar]

Any suggestion for a better 2A group to donate to? The NRA leadership has jumped the shark.

As of right now I’m just putting my money into memberships like WSF and RMEF but I’ve heard good things about Gun Owners Of America. I got to the point where I didn’t feel like contributing to the NRA was doing any more than not so I just dropped that one and focused on other things.

 

[LWC55]

Broad strokes

Interpretation 1.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The bold phrase was included to inform the purple part. Thus the interpretation that the 2A exists to protect individuals states rights to have militia... not individuals. The people = the state i.e. Colorado.

Interpretation 2.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The bold phrase and purple phrase are separate clauses. and shall not be infringed pertains only to the purple part, and the people are individuals.


As @VikingsGuy alluded to it's actually been fairly recent that the second interpretation was taken up.

I understand the different interpretations. But to think that our founders only meant for state militias to have the right to bear arms and that the word people means government (The people = the state i.e. Colorado) is a ludicrous interpretation in my opinion.

 

[ignorethefringes]

Call me crazy, but if a law is passed and federal agents actually show up to my door and demand my guns, they are going to get them without a fight. I'm not going to risk my life, and the life of my family fighting off the feds.

 

[geetar]

Call me crazy, but if a law is passed and federal agents actually show up to my door and demand my guns, they are going to get them without a fight. I'm not going to risk my life, and the life of my family fighting off the feds.

They are probably watching you type that. They will be there shortly. Only archery hunting for you this year.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

I understand the different interpretations. But to think that our founders only meant for state militias to have the right to bear arms and that the word people means government (The people = the state i.e. Colorado) is a ludicrous interpretation in my opinion.

Perhaps. It's really hard to know what they meant from the language. I do wish it was more clear and not so open to interpretation.

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

Call me crazy, but if a law is passed and federal agents actually show up to my door and demand my guns, they are going to get them without a fight. I'm not going to risk my life, and the life of my family fighting off the feds.

You just described about 99.9% of gun owners. But it's more fun to talk tough and dream about "what if" scenarios. Without those, what would most gun owners have to talk about anyway?

I know where I draw the line. I suppose each of us has that line somewhere.

 

[Dave N]

I may have a couple "disappear".

 

[ignorethefringes]

I may have a couple "disappear".

I don't know what you mean, I already sold/gave away/discarded/etc. everything but this little .22 revolver. Had a change of heart and didn't want all of those killing machines around anymore . . . lol

 

[Lyfter1013]

I don't know what you mean, I already sold/gave away/discarded/etc. everything but this little .22 revolver. Had a change of heart and didn't want all of those killing machines around anymore . . . lol

Lost all mine in a mysterious boating accident.

 

[noharleyyet]

Point of order.

Can we all agree to cool it on the epithets. They are injecting partisanship into this conversation.

You misspelled epitaph.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

I understand the different interpretations. But to think that our founders only meant for state militias to have the right to bear arms and that the word people means government (The people = the state i.e. Colorado) is a ludicrous interpretation in my opinion.

Given the contentions nature of the continental congress, I bet it probably depend a lot on which founder you talked to...

Therefore, if you ascribe to the individuals has the right interpretation, I 100% agree with you that it's ludicrous to cede your right. I think everyone has a right to vote, I am outraged when one group of American's tries to disenfranchise another. Per your interpretation I think your response is fair and valid.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

You misspelled epitaph.

If I used epitaphs for some of the politicians that are discussed herein Randy would ban me from the forum

 

[LWC55]

You just described about 99.9% of gun owners. But it's more fun to talk tough and dream about "what if" scenarios. Without those, what would most gun owners have to talk about anyway?

I know where I draw the line. I suppose each of us has that line somewhere.

Call me crazy, but I don't think 99.9% of gun owners will lay down their weapons to a tyrannical government that would disarm its citizens. Randy said he won't be disarmed and there are many others like him.

 

[noharleyyet]

If I used epitaphs for some of the politicians that are discussed herein Randy would ban me from the forum

No way he bans half his traffic...

 

[VikingsGuy]

Lost all mine in a mysterious boating accident.

damn, you beat me to it . .

 

[VikingsGuy]

No way he bans half his traffic...

You and wllm post at about the same rate, he just uses more words