After actually being out there and when we rolled into camp and all sitting around that evening talking.. the guys was checking out everyone's gear/rifles I pulled out my 270 wsm loaded in 140 grain nosier they all busted out laughing at me. Their response was dang the guy from the east brought the deer rifle better make a heart shot and you do realize you in grizzly country . I asked them what they bring they all had 300 win mags and one with a 338 lapua. I actually hit two big bull elk that week same results no good blood trail then set up for the next three days waiting for the ravens to lite didn't happen. After that horrible experience I went back and reviewed what I need to do better and it was obvious to me the majority prefer a 30 caliber and nice heavy bullet for elk . Make fun of me do what ever I don't care but that 270 wont be going back with me.