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Once the online application process for the spring 2005 draw is concluded on Oct. 12, the hunt application process will revert to having a manual system with paper applications for the next year.
In response to a July court ruling that declared Arizona’s 10-percent cap on nonresident hunt permits for certain big game animals unconstitutional, the Arizona Game and Fish Commission last month directed the department to suspend the online application process for one year, effective with the fall 2005 big game draw. The commission also directed the department to implement an improved online application system for the Fall 2006 draw that will include a method to charge tag fees up front.


This should throw a hitch in certain tails.

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DanR,

What is the "problem" AZ is trying to address with this fix? Are they trying to require applicant's signatures? Have they never heard of Limited Power of Attorney?

Why doesn't AZ address the issues, instead of throwing more "hitches" into certain tails, only to spend more time in court, losing those fights?
 
Az applications rose considerably when they went to the on line process. G&F are trying to find ways to keep resident draw at a realistic level, instead of the way it went this year.
It will also be required that all applicants buy a hunting license for next years' draw.
 
They're still not addressing the real issue. Trying to make it a little more hassle to fill out the application isn't the answer. Also, don't you get a preference point if you buy a license when you apply now? So they are now going to require that everyone buy a license when they apply now? Highway robbery! I'm starting to have some real doubts about how smart the AZ Commission is. What are they going to try next, making us write an essay on "Why I want to Hunt in AZ" with every application? :D
 
EG, Arizona is addressing issues.. Issues like whore lawyers and money grubbing outfitters.

What is it about this argument that you don't understand? Let me add some more of that same announcement....

The commission also voted to proceed with the following:

1. Require all big game permit applicants to purchase a hunting license. The commission approved rule language, pending an opinion from the Attorney General’s Office on a potential conflict with state gambling statutes, which would require individuals to purchase a license in order to apply for the big game draw.

2. Change Arizona statute so that parts of bighorn sheep cannot be sold, and to create a set-aside for nonresidents. The commission directed the Game and Fish Department to develop language for legislation to prohibit the sale of parts (heads, horns and hides) of bighorn sheep taken with future permits, and approved rule language to set aside no more than 15 percent of sheep tags for nonresidents to be allocated through a separate, nonresident-only draw. The commission also directed the department to run an analysis of what effect nonresidents have historically had on resident hunting opportunity for bighorn sheep and to use this number in final determination of the set-aside percentage.

3. Create a loyalty bonus point. The commission approved a notice of proposed rulemaking to create a loyalty bonus point that would be awarded to individuals who buy a license and apply for big game hunts for five consecutive years. The point would be genus specific and would be retained as long as the hunter continues to apply at least once per calendar year for that genus. Year one for the purpose of the 5-year calculation of this program would be 2001.

4. Increase the bonus point pass percentage to 20 percent. The commission approved a notice of proposed rulemaking to increase from 10 to 20 percent the bonus point pass percentage, meaning that 20 percent of tags would be set aside for applicants with the highest number of bonus points.

5. Create a conservation bonus point. The commission approved a notice of proposed rulemaking to create a new conservation bonus point valid for any genus for which a bonus point is issued. The point would be awarded upon accrual of 48 hours of volunteer work performed during a 3-year period. Unlimited conservation bonus points would be available, but could only be accrued at the rate of one per year. Points would be forfeited, by genus, upon a successful draw. The commission also voted to direct the department to develop proposed legislation to establish a $10 conservation bonus point application fee.

6. Explore license and application fee increases. The commission directed the department to develop legislation for proposed license fee increases for both resident and nonresident hunters. The department will refine these proposed increases and will seek further public input through the department Web site and through a series of public meetings before the legislative session begins.

Most of the commission-approved proposals will now enter the formal rulemaking process, during which the public will have an opportunity to provide additional comment. A draft final rule package is expected to be submitted to the commission at its December meeting in Phoenix. Updates will be posted on the department’s Web site, azgfd.com.


Now I'm sure that there are some things in there that you will find objectionable.. So rave on..

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HEY! WHo you callin a whore!!!! :mad:

Nah, just kidding. :D I know the type of lawyer you are talking about. This is one attorney that will never sell out his beliefs, values or integrity for the all mighty dollar.
 
Tim, Are you an attorney? I didn't know that.. You have my condolences...

Not really.. Law is a long hard dry education. Anyone who completes it successfully has my admiration. What they do with that education afterward my garner a different response..

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If they don't allow online apps doesn't that kind of help a service like USO? Isn't that a main part their business to apply for hunts for other people who are to lazy to fill out the form for themselves?

I would think that by stopping online apps. they are limiting a lot of none USO DIY hunters who don't want to hassle with paper forms.

WyoTim,
Attorneys are sort of like insurance agents you hate to see them until you need one and when you need one they are your best friends.

Nemont
 
The conservation points are awesome. That rewards the people that are doing the work. The guys that give up their weekends to dig out springs, buck brush, tear down old fenses deserve the extra points. I'm glad Arizona is doing this, its good for hunting and honest wildlife conversationist.
 
Nemont, I don't know that that is the case. I am not sure if USO will continue to apply for paper tags if the on line sevice is ended. If they do, they do. I'm more impressed with the requirement to pay for tags at the application date rather than when awarded and the fact that AZGF is actually listening to some of the suggestions that were garnered at the meetings they held. I know that I suggested several things, the same as or similar to, many things that were suggested by others. All of the actions that are being taken were suggestions voiced at the meeting that I attended. That makes me believe that they heard all of them from several different sources.

I don't have any annomosity for anyone who wants to hunt Arizona. I understand and sympathize with them right up to the point where their draw application takes preference over my draw application and I'm the one paying taxes in and supporting the AZGF.

I am confident that USO is not going to front thier own money for all of these applications. So their clients will have to forward the $$ before the application is made. If nothing else changes, AZGF will garner the interest from the money held in escrow during the draw period. That's a good thing. There is also the issue of the Hunting License requirement. So there are good things in the future for AZGF and hopefully for AZ residents. We'll see.....

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DanR,

What taxes do you pay that supports AZGF?

Do you really think that USO's client list can't scrape up their tag money, up front??? That is funny how naive you are about the ways of the world...

Again, what is the "problem" AZ is trying to address, the fact that they don't want non-residents paying their bills or shooting their Elk? That seems like a losing proposition...
 
I agree, that the conservation points are a GREAT idea!

Dan- I'd bet that one non-res big game tag nets more $$ for the F&G than your portion of taxes that gets that far.

I see this as making hunting in AZ out of reach for most non-res 'Joes' due to $$. I don't mind fronting the money up front for a tag, but I don't like having to buy the lisence to apply. I think one with the tag money should be able to apply. I'd be for buying the license as a means to accrue points.
 
EG, I know you are not that stupid... My state taxes help support that 15% of the AZGF budget that is gleened from the general fund. My lotto dollars support the Heritage Fund that provide an additional 60% of the AZGF budget.

As for you question regarding USO's client list, I don't think it's a matter of can they as much as will they...and they probably will.

I am not going to take the time to explain the issues again. If you recall, limited number of tags and multiple applicants.. the fewer applicants the better MY chances to draw. I really don't care if you or anyone else gets a change at an Arizona tag until I do... Selfish?? You bet your ass it is and it's well earned.

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Gosh, I should buy some Lotto tickets like DanR, so I too can support the Heritage Fund Projects... :rolleyes:

Heritage Grant Projects

IIAPM
- Pima County, $21,572.00 “Evaluation of Mesquite Mouse Status.” - Northern Arizona University, $82,024.00 “Battles between non-native crayfish and native species in Fossil Creek, Arizona: does restoration hinder or help?”
- University of Arizona, $32,658.00 “Microsatellite genetic variation in flat-tailed horned lizards (Phrynosoma mcallii) in Arizona, California and Mexico"
- Bureau of Land Management, $44,797.00 “ Long-Term Cuckoo Monitoring in Yuma Area.”
- University of Arizona, $91,815.00 “Conservation Applications of Archaeological Data.”
- University of Arizona, $40,795.00 “Bog Hole Wildlife Area Monitoring and Management.”


Environmental Education
- Estrella Mountain Community College, $9,468.00 “Wildlife Speaker Series.”
- Arizona State University, $8,100.00 “Natural Resources Law and Biology Field Seminar.”
- University of Arizona, $10,000.00 “Pollinator Habitat Kit and Teacher Training Workshops in Arizona and Sonora, Mexico.”


Schoolyard Grants
- Prescott Unified School District, $7,850.00 “Prescott Mile High Hands-On Habitat.”
- Flagstaff Unified School District #1, $10,000.00 “Francis Short Pond Restoration Project.”


Urban Wildlife and Urban Habitat
- University of Arizona, $18,684.00 “GIS-Linked Database for Bats in Tucson.”
- University of Arizona, $16,369.00 “Plants Benefiting Urban Wildlife on UA Campus.”
- Arizona State University East, $12,957.00 “Constructed Sonoran Riparian Habitat.”
- University of Arizona, $26,970.00 “Conservation of Tucson's Riparian Herpetofauna.”
- University of Arizona, $31,320.00 “Bat Response to Habitat Enhancement in an Urban Wildlife interface.”


Public Access
- University of Arizona, $24,238.00 “Creating Trails along Secondary Washes in Tucson.”
- USDA Forest Service, $41,500.00 “Upper Eagle Creek Watershed Trail Restoration.”
And does your 15% go to Game programs, or does it help with licensing your JetSki? (BTW, where do you get the 15% number from their annual report?) Are you implying that the state of AZ is co-mingling General Fund $$$ with Game $$$$? Doesn't that put their R_P dollars at risk?

I am not sure where you get the idea that your tag is "well earned", why not just have the AZGF issue Landowner tags, and then you can buy them?
 
Elkgunner, can you afford landowner tags? if you can, the San Carlos, White Mtn and Navajo reservations always have some......and, if you dont like that, then go to New Mexico.
You hit a sore spot, because at this very moment, 18 ranches are trying to collect monetarily from G&F for damages from wildlife. they want compensation and have retained an attorney.
Also, it has always been in place that if you want bonus points in AZ, you have to buy a hunting license, resident and non resident. If you didnt want bonus points, you didnt have to buy a license, but wouldnt that be like spitting into the wind?
 
"And does your 15% go to Game programs, or does it help with licensing your JetSki?"

Who cares where it goes? If it goes to cover the licensing of jet ski's, that's a few bucks that aren't spent licensing jet ski's that can go toward game law enforcement. Jet skis will be licensed anyway. What's your point? ... and why do you keep diverting the issue? The AZGF seves the State of Arizona. The Heritage Fund serves the State of Arizona. SO WHAT?

My point is that something is being done to try to assure that I as an Arizona resident have a better chance of drawing an Arizona tag than some guy from Philidelphia, or Detroit, or My Own Private Idaho.. I've already copped to being selfish in that respect so that's a dead horse.

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