Anybody Buying Yet? Where’s the Bottom?

[TOGIE]

My brother and I had lunch today, and I told him that is on the Democratic party to show themselves to be a rational landing spot for disaffected center right voters.

Each party has its fringe, which is okay, except when one of the fringes gets ahold of the power.

Living in a state where the fringe left has a powerful voice and even a fair amount of power it’s a terrible time to be a disheartened conservative.

The democrats are at a pivotal moment in history where they can bring in more voters than they ever could have imagined if they reinvent themselves a bit. I hope they play their cards right.

 

[406dn]

Living in a state where the fringe left has a powerful voice and even a fair amount of power it’s a terrible time to be a disheartened conservative.

The democrats are at a pivotal moment in history where they can bring in more voters than they ever could have imagined if they reinvent themselves a bit. I hope they play their cards right.

I am just one Democrat, but if I could change a few things it would be something like this.

Embrace sound fiscal policies

Give up the fight on gun laws

Take border security seriously.

Focus like a laser on how to sustain and foster a more robust middle class. imo, the last forty some years of tax policy by the GOP has led to this gilded age, and having the bottom of the middle class, sink into a state of despair.

 

[SAJ-99]

Living in a state where the fringe left has a powerful voice and even a fair amount of power it’s a terrible time to be a disheartened conservative.

The democrats are at a pivotal moment in history where they can bring in more voters than they ever could have imagined if they reinvent themselves a bit. I hope they play their cards right.

On both sides, the average American needs to be more vocal during primaries so they don't get the craziest candidates. Problem is it's hard enough just to get people to vote every four years.

 

[SAJ-99]

I am just one Democrat, but if I could change a few things it would be something like this.

Embrace sound fiscal policies

Give up the fight on gun laws

Take border security seriously.

Focus like a laser on how to sustain and foster a more robust middle class. imo, the last forty some years of tax policy by the GOP has led to this gilded age, and having the bottom of the middle class, sink into a state of despair.

Those are the talking points of the Republican opposition. They will just find new things to focus on.

Case in point, the House just voted on a budget that would raise the deficit. This illustrates that #1 is mostly an issue of making sure those that vote for you get theirs.

 

[406dn]

Those are the talking points of the Republican opposition. They will just find new things to focus on.

Case in point, the House just voted on a budget that would raise the deficit. This illustrates that #1 is mostly an issue of making sure those that vote for you get theirs.

They talk the talk, never walk the walk.

We DO have a debt problem. I think a platform of increasing the upper income tax rates, and reducing overall spending, has support from the general public.

Again imo, the GOP figured out when Reagan pushed thru tax changes, and made no concerted effort to cut spending to match the reduced revenue, they stumbled on a political winner. The issue of the debt is ignored, when they are in power, and is a great issue, when out of power. If Democrats engaged the issue from their viewpoint and values, it both takes the issue off the table, and begins to fix a serious problem. I think the per capita share of the federal debt is now north of $100k. That is a lousy inheritance to leave our children and grandchildren. We can either make it worse, or make it better.

 

[Irrelevant]

“Stock market” near top of search tends today. Only took evaporating $6T in wealth to get people’s attention. Admin remains committed to the plan. Silence from the WH says a lot.

 

[Bonasababy]

Living in a state where the fringe left has a powerful voice and even a fair amount of power it’s a terrible time to be a disheartened conservative.

The democrats are at a pivotal moment in history where they can bring in more voters than they ever could have imagined if they reinvent themselves a bit. I hope they play their cards right.

Conversely there may never be a better time for Center Right brand new party to form. Extremes on either side aren't good--what I don't want to see is the pendulum swing from one extreme to the other extreme.

 

[Bonasababy]

On both sides, the average American needs to be more vocal during primaries so they don't get the craziest candidates. Problem is it's hard enough just to get people to vote every four years.

But the parties control who we can even vote for in many cases. Varies by state...but there's just two ways out I see in mine--large numbers of more center oriented people showing up to drive the agendas and candidate selections away from the extreme--or a groundswell rise of an alternative party.

In my state it's not that the more centered republicans aren't enough, they are actually attacked and ostracized until they are driven out.

 

[Flatrock]

On both sides, the average American needs to be more vocal during primaries so they don't get the craziest candidates. Problem is it's hard enough just to get people to vote every four years.

I think crazy is what they want though??? It's mind boggling to me that Nikki Haley wasn't more popular with Republicans. IMO with her, you get 90% of the upside of Trump but nearly 0% of his downside. I would have voted for her in a second.

 

[BigHornRam]

I am just one Democrat, but if I could change a few things it would be something like this.

Embrace sound fiscal policies

Give up the fight on gun laws

Take border security seriously.

Focus like a laser on how to sustain and foster a more robust middle class. imo, the last forty some years of tax policy by the GOP has led to this gilded age, and having the bottom of the middle class, sink into a state of despair.

Double or nothing on that steak dinner you owe me.

This is going to be your 2028 Presidential candidate.

 

[Bonasababy]

Double or nothing on that steak dinner you owe me.

This is going to be your 2028 Presidential candidate.

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Here I thought you of all people would appreciate his recent actions which pissed off the far left to no end....

 

[BigHornRam]

Here I thought you of all people would appreciate his recent actions which pissed off the far left to no end....

What did he do?

 

[MTGomer]

Living in a state where the fringe left has a powerful voice and even a fair amount of power it’s a terrible time to be a disheartened conservative.

The democrats are at a pivotal moment in history where they can bring in more voters than they ever could have imagined if they reinvent themselves a bit. I hope they play their cards right.

My guess is some will agree with you but they’ll be overpowered by the shrieking lunatics, so they’ll double down on antisemitism and demand men get to play in women’s sports, all while it becomes more transparent they’re wholly owned by military contractors and the pharmaceutical industry.

 

[npaden]

The sky is not falling. Nearly every one of the stocks that were hammered today are still up in the 20% range if you look at the last 12 month performance. Even the terrible TSLA which has been mentioned as being overpriced in this exact thread back when it was about 25% of the current value is up big over the last 12 months. November of 24 is probably going to be the peak for a while. The 30% S&P500 returns had to end sometime. I'm still in it for the long term and think it is going to be fine.

 

[TOGIE]

My guess is some will agree with you but they’ll be overpowered by the shrieking lunatics, so they’ll double down on antisemitism and demand men get to play in women’s sports, all while it becomes more transparent they’re wholly owned by military contractors and the pharmaceutical industry.

My hope is democratic leadership will realize what has to happen and pull some trump style bullying to get their batshit fringies in line.

Can’t sleep on this opportunity and I think leadership knows it.

But, you’re probably not far off on the reality. Either way, that boomerang is gonna be coming back one way or another.

Now, to the topic of this thread - I’ll probably start nibbling on ETH at 1500. Not sure about the indexes yet, I think they have a ways to go.

 

[BigHornRam]

Living in a state where the fringe left has a powerful voice and even a fair amount of power it’s a terrible time to be a disheartened conservative.

The democrats are at a pivotal moment in history where they can bring in more voters than they ever could have imagined if they reinvent themselves a bit. I hope they play their cards right.

 

[SAJ-99]

Sure wouldn’t take advice from the cult.

 

[BigHornRam]

The sky is not falling. Nearly every one of the stocks that were hammered today are still up in the 20% range if you look at the last 12 month performance. Even the terrible TSLA which has been mentioned as being overpriced in this exact thread back when it was about 25% of the current value is up big over the last 12 months. November of 24 is probably going to be the peak for a while. The 30% S&P500 returns had to end sometime. I'm still in it for the long term and think it is going to be fine.

This thing is still up 120% over the last 6 months. Wall Street is more of casino lately than an investment vehicle, IMO.

 

[NDGuy]

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[Bonasababy]

The sky is not falling. Nearly every one of the stocks that were hammered today are still up in the 20% range if you look at the last 12 month performance. Even the terrible TSLA which has been mentioned as being overpriced in this exact thread back when it was about 25% of the current value is up big over the last 12 months. November of 24 is probably going to be the peak for a while. The 30% S&P500 returns had to end sometime. I'm still in it for the long term and think it is going to be fine.

If by long term you mean 4-5 years or more I agree it might not be time to panic. But it sure appears a lot more professionals are no longer keen on the prospects of any return in the coming months.

From one article today:
Hedge funds reduced their exposure to stocks on Friday at the largest amount in more than two years, according to a Goldman Sachs note released on Monday.
The bank added some hedge funds' large moves on Friday could be compared to what was seen in March 2020, during the breakout of the COVID pandemic, and January 2021, when hedge funds were forced to unwind their short positions in the so-called meme stocks, or popular stocks among retail investors.

Reuters said: Until now, economists have been loath to entirely factor into their forecasts the Trump administration's volte-face on global trade policy, and the added uncertainty over how the change is being implemented is making forecasting even more difficult.

However, nearly every economist - 70 of 74 - polled this week across Canada, the U.S. and Mexico who answered a separate question said the risk of a recession in their respective economy had increased, suggesting the outlook had soured considerably across the continent.