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Not to hijack this thread, but anyone deal with degenerative disc disease? My L5 is basically gone, L4 is less than 50%, I have a pars defect on my L5 that is riddled with arthritis. I go in every 4 months or so for injections where the pain dr does it under some sort of live x ray so he can put it on precise nerves. It takes the edge off for a few months but sleeping and laying down is brutal. I’m 43, in great shape, but my back is destroyed. Doc claims I’m too young for surgery. Says if they start fusing now, the degeneration will just keep working its way up my spine. I take gabbipentin at night to help calm the nerves in my legs from this. Just curious if anyone else has been in this position?
 
Not to hijack this thread, but anyone deal with degenerative disc disease? My L5 is basically gone, L4 is less than 50%, I have a pars defect on my L5 that is riddled with arthritis. I go in every 4 months or so for injections where the pain dr does it under some sort of live x ray so he can put it on precise nerves. It takes the edge off for a few months but sleeping and laying down is brutal. I’m 43, in great shape, but my back is destroyed. Doc claims I’m too young for surgery. Says if they start fusing now, the degeneration will just keep working its way up my spine. I take gabbipentin at night to help calm the nerves in my legs from this. Just curious if anyone else has been in this position?
no good…. I have the degenerative disc deal too unfortunately, I’m only 40….
Matt
 
I've had 2 back surgeries in the same area and also have degenerative disc disease/stenosis of the spine. I went through the VA and had to wait six months for my first surgery, which ended up causing permanent nerve damage down my right leg. I went through shots, physical therapy, and core strengthening... none of it was beneficial to my pain. I would be in tears driving to work from the pain and anytime I was in the seated position. For me, the surgery was life changing. Sure, I've got some nerve pain, reduced movement, and inflammation, but I can pack an elk out solo in the back country and do most things I could at 25. I also wouldn't atempt to deadlift 200lbs, but I can bench 315 🤣. Good luck to you with whichever direction you choose. I just figured I would add my experience in.
 
Not to hijack this thread, but anyone deal with degenerative disc disease? My L5 is basically gone, L4 is less than 50%, I have a pars defect on my L5 that is riddled with arthritis. I go in every 4 months or so for injections where the pain dr does it under some sort of live x ray so he can put it on precise nerves. It takes the edge off for a few months but sleeping and laying down is brutal. I’m 43, in great shape, but my back is destroyed. Doc claims I’m too young for surgery. Says if they start fusing now, the degeneration will just keep working its way up my spine. I take gabbipentin at night to help calm the nerves in my legs from this. Just curious if anyone else has been in this position?
Yeah, have this in my lower back.
 
I take gabbipentin at night to help calm the nerves in my legs from this.

I’m no help for the back stuff, but I will throw out my opinion regarding Neurontin (gabapentin)…..a major side effect is dry mouth, and I see major dental decay happening in long term users. It for sure puts you in a high decay risk category, so you must step up your oral care game, and be super regular with dental prevention appointments. Catching problems when they are small and easier to manage saves $$$ and trouble down the road.
 
I’m no help for the back stuff, but I will throw out my opinion regarding Neurontin (gabapentin)…..a major side effect is dry mouth, and I see major dental decay happening in long term users. It for sure puts you in a high decay risk category, so you must step up your oral care game, and be super regular with dental prevention appointments. Catching problems when they are small and easier to manage saves $$$ and trouble down the road.
I appreciate the info. I’ve chewed Copenhagen since I was 16, never had a cavity in my life; and I’m going in Tuesday to have all 4 of my wisdom teeth surgically removed lol. I’ll stay on top of the brushing and flossing for sure
 
I’m no help for the back stuff, but I will throw out my opinion regarding Neurontin (gabapentin)…..a major side effect is dry mouth, and I see major dental decay happening in long term users. It for sure puts you in a high decay risk category, so you must step up your oral care game, and be super regular with dental prevention appointments. Catching problems when they are small and easier to manage saves $$$ and trouble down the road.
I'm on max dose per day from my spinal injury. 3200mg (800 4x's). I must sleep with my mouth closed and do everything I'm able to clear my nose each night. 90% works fine though there is no doubt occasions such as allergies plug my nose, my mouth turns dry as heck! This is good to know. Thankfully, I am religious when it comes to brushing teeth though - wasn't aware of the potential harm to my teeth. Heh! Something learned. Thanks.
 
I appreciate the info. I’ve chewed Copenhagen since I was 16, never had a cavity in my life; and I’m going in Tuesday to have all 4 of my wisdom teeth surgically removed lol. I’ll stay on top of the brushing and flossing for sure
kansasdad”s 4 rules for post wisdom tooth surgery dry socket prevention.…

1: No smoking (oral tobacco as well)

2: No Straw use (tip the cup for shakes, or use a spoon).

3: No spitting (oral tobacco, blood/saliva or the rinse of rule #4)

4: Salty swishes 4-5 times a day. Gentle, very warm and super salty, and when done swishing let gravity drool it out of your mouth. No spitting!



Ice packs applied to the side of your lower jaw (two baggies with ice cubes placed in some tubular clothing item such as leggings, long underwear, panty hose) until you go to bed that first day.

Sleep with your head elevated…recliner, corner of a couch, multiple extra pillows in bed. You will drool bloody saliva so protect the pillows/recliner/couch and wear a sleep shirt you don’t care to get blood on it.

It’s better/easier to stay out of pain than to get out of pain! Rx level NSAID plus Tylenol on a time schedule the first two days post surgery. Narcotics won’t make you not hurt, they just make you care less that you are hurting.

Push your fluids and give your body good nutrition to fuel your recovery.
 
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kansasdad”s 4 rules for post wisdom tooth surgery dry socket prevention.…

1: No smoking (oral tobacco as well)

2: No Straw use (tip the cup for shakes, or use a spoon).

3: No spitting (oral tobacco, blood/saliva or the rinse of rule #4)

4: Salty swishes 4-5 times a day. Gentle, very warm and super salty, and when done swishing let gravity drool it out of your mouth. No spitting!



Ice packs applied to the side of your lower jaw (two baggies with ice cubes placed in some tubular clothing item such as leggings, long underwear, panty hose) until you go to bed that first day.

Sleep with your head elevated…recliner, corner of a couch, multiple extra pillows in bed. You will drool bloody saliva so protect the pillows/recliner/couch and wear a sleep shirt you don’t care to get blood on it.

It’s better/easier to stay out of pain than to get out of pain! Rx level NSIAD plus Tylenol on a time schedule the first two days post surgery. Narcotics won’t make you not hurt, they just make you care less that you are hurting.

Push your fluids and give your body good nutrition to fuel your recovery.
I appreciate all of this so much! So many thanks to you!
 
Gabapentin didn’t work for me although I became slightly addicted to it. Vicodin, however, was my psychedelic friend.
 
Not to hijack this thread, but anyone deal with degenerative disc disease? My L5 is basically gone, L4 is less than 50%, I have a pars defect on my L5 that is riddled with arthritis. I go in every 4 months or so for injections where the pain dr does it under some sort of live x ray so he can put it on precise nerves. It takes the edge off for a few months but sleeping and laying down is brutal. I’m 43, in great shape, but my back is destroyed. Doc claims I’m too young for surgery. Says if they start fusing now, the degeneration will just keep working its way up my spine. I take gabbipentin at night to help calm the nerves in my legs from this. Just curious if anyone else has been in this position?
I have been dealing with this since my late 20’s. The doctor told me the best thing I could do long term was wait as long as possible to get surgery and to lose at much weight as possible. I am the lightest I have been since high school and I can tell you there is a huge different in how my back feels from 220 to 200. Hang in there! Back pain impacts your whole body and can easily shutdown any function for days… sucks.
 
I have been dealing with this since my late 20’s. The doctor told me the best thing I could do long term was wait as long as possible to get surgery and to lose at much weight as possible. I am the lightest I have been since high school and I can tell you there is a huge different in how my back feels from 220 to 200. Hang in there! Back pain impacts your whole body and can easily shutdown any function for days… sucks.
I appreciate the words. I’m up to 170 from 150; maybe between getting my wisdom teeth yanked and a colonoscopy before the end of the year I can get back down where I need to be and stay there. Thanks for your thoughts
 
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