any dirt bikers or off roaders?

[1_pointer]

I have always contended that the "quality" of an area is inversely proportional to the ease of access to that area. It seems there is peer-reviewed science backing my position in this case.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in and support reasonable access. Tear-assing across the flats on a machine that scars the land is not reasonable access.

Boy, that pretty much sums up the OHV/access issue for me! Good post Erik. Great thing about articles like you posted is that there's usually not a whole lot of argument about them!

 

[cjcj]

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Sorry Gunner i forgot that a true "intellectual hillbilly" such as yourself required me to be specific and politically correct. [normal humans understood it 100%]


Eric i "agree" with the overall evaluation.....Just not the "conclusion" [clarified for Gunner] about the jellystone bears.

 

[Ten Bears]

Back Country ATV Association is an organization dedicated to keeping our public lands open to the public. One of the ways to achieve this goal is by increasing our membership where as we collectively have a larger voice in land issues then we would as individuals. We also take environmental concerns seriously. Public lands should be left in as good condition or better when we're done riding.

Please take a look around our web site, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact us, or suggestions, we'd love to hear them. Perhaps you don't live in our area but would like to support the sport of ATV's, take a look in the join link and sign up as a business member or simply make a donation to our efforts.

Thank you for visiting our web site, and remember to have fun & ride safe!

http://www.backcountryatv.org/index.html

We are the High Mountain ATV Association representing the ATV enthusiasts of Shoshone County, Idaho. We are a member of the local Chamber of Commerce, and we invite you to enjoy with us for some of the greatest ATV riding available in the Northwest.

Nestled in the Bitterroot Mountains, the High Mountain ATV Association is based in Wallace, Idaho. Our purpose is to foster and promote safe and responsible use of ATV's by riders of all ages. We have thousands of miles of access to Forest Service, BLM and private land. Our history is deep-rooted in the mining, logging and railroading industries, and our mountainous terrain is filled with unparalleled scenic views and wildlife. We are both an historical and welcoming community, with many activities in surrounding towns dealing with our heritage or other types of outdoor recreation.

We organize and sponsor rides and events throughout the year. We cooperate with public land management, but reserve the right to oppose regulations and actions the Association deems to be detrimental to the members. We sponsor enactment of regulations pertaining to ownership and responsible operation of ATV's. We actively seek out and build beneficial relationships with other recreational users of public land. All profits benefit community and non-profit organizations determined by our board. We offer individual, family, business, and association memberships, and actively promote family recreation. So, come join us! Our motto is "RIDE WITH FAMILY, RIDE WITH PRIDE."

http://wallace-id.com/highmountainATV/index.html

 

[mtmiller]

Thanks for the link.

A few pics I enjoyed from the site.

Anybody seen a road?

Is that it over there?

Does this make my ass look big?

Anybody see any fish yet?

Why walk to the fish when you can drive?

Just having some fun folks. Don't take me too serious. However, do feel free to chuckle.

 

[1_pointer]

miller, now just 'cause you walk everywhere doesn't mean you can crack jokes about those folks! They may be handicapped. Also, look at the sweat they guy in the first pic worked up, ATVing IS hard work.

 

[Oak]

Miller, now that's funny, I don't care who you are!

I'm sure those pictures were all taken in areas it's legal to go cross-country or use streams as trails.

Oak

 

[Nemont]

ATV's don't cause erosion, it's the water running down the ATV trail that does that




Quality Time with your kids after a long ride, take them to a bar.



AHHHH!!!! Solitude, peace & quiet in the great outdoors


Kids, Let's pioneer another trail

 

[FAIRCHASEBEN]

A few of their goals ;
1. ATV's should be allowed unrestricted access to all critical wildlife habitat for our use of animals as entertainment , the more roads the better .
2. All ATV roads should be paved to accomodate golf carts , some ATV's are just too physically demanding , especially to us over the age of 20 (or 300 lbs) . A sore throttle thumb is no laughing matter !
3. All children should be discouraged from any physical activity while afield . Remember , walking is for people who can't afford ATV's .

 

[BuzzH]

The "does this make my ass look big" picture is a classic...in particular the jelly from the jelly donut smeared all over the front of bubba's shirt.

Whats sad is that people will still defend ATVers...even though they really are fat-asses, lazy, drive through streams, cross-country, etc. etc. etc. etc.

What a joke.

This is how they "defend" their atv use? Hmmmmm????

We're dealing with some real brain-housings here....

 

[Ten Bears]

ATV's don't cause erosion, it's the water running down the ATV trail that does that




Quality Time with your kids after a long ride, take them to a bar.



AHHHH!!!! Solitude, peace & quiet in the great outdoors


Kids, Let's pioneer another trail

Nice try NEMONT. What do you know of any of those photos?
#1 is of a road closed to full sized vehicles. I know, many of you anti-ATV crowd oppose designating ATV use of those roads, but it's a way of displacing user impacts over a greater area.
#2 Happens to be a cafe with a beer/liquour license. The place is called "The Snake Pit" for the unique wood it was constructed with over 100 years ago. Next you may want to tell the fish & game not to hold their sportsmans breakfasts there either. BTW, there should be another one of those on 02/26 should any of you want to attend, just take the Kingston Exit off of I-90 (west of Pinehurst and Kellogg, or East of Coeur d' Alene and Cataldo) go north up along the Coeur d'Alene River. When you cross the bicycle path (rail to trails project), it's on your right. I'll be there, but I doubt any of you would be willing to make the trip (I'll keep an eye out for new faces, wear your Hunttalk hats, I'll buy you coffee). Careful of that "longneck" Stanley thermos dads got there girl. I'm not affraid to take my kids or grandkids into a local cafe like that. Joe Peak, the owner runs a very clean establishment, and write for the local papers on issues like the bike path, ATV trails, fishing forecasts, etc.
#3 Seems to be the head count at the trailhead. I doubt any of you true ground pounders would be caught dead near one of those things.
#4 Is actually a hard rock road open to all motor vehicles.

 

[Nemont]

Ten Bears,

#1 is eroding, erosion is deposited into the local streams.

#2 I don't really care if you take your kids to a cafe, I take my kids to them also. I just thought it was funny they are bragging about being family oriented and sitting in a bar.

#3 is not what I think of when I seek to get away from the crowds.

What about the pics mtmiller linked to that show the ATV's driving down the middle of the stream. If that is what the offroaders think of as responsible riding then your days of access to public lands is numbered.

Nemont

 

[Bambistew]

WOW!!! Looks like she's gett'n lots of traction... LOL

An ATV tractor pull... can you get any more redneck???

Redneck Rodeo

Hey Ten, do you live in the Wallace area? I worked in one of the mines up there for a couple summers, my sister still lives in the area. I know a few guys that used to spend all weekend ridding those dang things. One thing about it there are lots of roads to ride up there thats for sure... its sure big country and not may towns... I love it up there, and the fishing is unreal! I don't recall seeing nearly as many rougue trails up there as compared to the more open areas like in SW MT or Eastern ID... I think the dense vegitation hinders it.

 

[The Hedgehog]

Our local forest listed the proposed cut-backs to ORVs also today.

Not enough cuts if you ask me.. here's the link: Gallatin ORV uses cut

 

[Ten Bears]

Nothing I posted responses to had anything to do with off roading. Did you notice the size of the "road rock" in the first photo you posted? Much of that has been placed by ATV riders to reduce SOIL errosion along that part of the road. It works like this, you ride on rock roads, and have less mud or soil errosion to contend with.

What about the pics mtmiller linked to that show the ATV's driving down the middle of the stream. If that is what the offroaders think of as responsible riding then your days of access to public lands is numbered.

NEMONT, that "stream channel" is classified as a road in the Coeur d' Alene River drainage, and is the result of previous gold dredge mining. If the fish could withstand being dredged, I think they can take a few ATVs....

 

[Ten Bears]

BAMBISTEW, what mine did you work at? I still live in the valley (Kellogg end).

 

[mtmiller]

I need to get myself an ATV thesaurus. Apparently streams are roads. I am guessing ridgelines, wetlands and game trails will also classify as roads. This will sure make the travel plan I am working on much easier.

 

[Ten Bears]

I don't know if a thesaurus would help you, but knowing the topography and geology of the area you have questions about might help. We have 2-tracks that run down ridges, and are shown as roads on maps. In many places were the creek channel occupies the bottom and the geology would hinder road building, the rock bed of the creek is the road. We also have stream/creek crossings called fjordes (water crossings without bridges)......

Could you please point out where anyone said a wetland or gametrail was a road??????

 

[Oak]

I am guessing ridgelines, wetlands and game trails will also classify as roads.

Would you believe that Minnesota changed the law last year so that wetlands ARE fair game?

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/issinfo/ssohv2004.htm

Oak

 

[1_pointer]

TB- I'm thinking he was using a subtle form of humor called sarcasm. I'm not being sarcastic when I write that riding down a stream bed is not acceptible to me.

 

[Ten Bears]

1-P,

I don't know if a thesaurus would help you,...

Was sarcasm also. Considering MTMILLERs position and education (and yours as well) I'd thought it would have been obvious..... Oh well. Let me get this straight, riding down the streambed, even when the streambed is part of a "classified" road (open for all motorized vehicles) is wrong????