Any Barnes fans out there?

[noharleyyet]

I've heard more than one gun geek attest to the efficacy of the 168 grainer in .308 chamberings.

 

[csutton7]

I like them--shoot and animal has never gone far----chris

 

[ELKCHSR]

My wife hit a deer in the back bone with one of these out of a 300 Wthby...

It swelled the area up to about the size of a grape fruit...

I'll be processing it up tomorrow and see if there is any bullet to recover...

Be very interesting to see what it looks like if it's still there...

 

[Bluegunner]

53 gr. Barnes TSX

I load the 53gr. Barnes TSX pushed by 35 gr. Varget for my 22-250. Use it for hogs in Texas and it knocks the snot out of them. Even the one in the 300-400 lb range don't go over 20 yards. I aim right behind the front leg and even the thick plate on the hogs side doesn't stop the little Barnes. Tremendous shock power!!!

 

[snake river rufus]

I dont like the looks of those...they did the job, but.

Not enough expansion IMO.

They appear to be twice the bullet dia. If that isn't enough expansion what would be?

 

[snake river rufus]

It did a great job in that it expended 100% of the energy inside the animal.

How, exactly, does a projectile "expend" or transfer energy in an animal?
If motion or kinetic energy is transferred to an animal completely just how far should we expect, say, a 200 pound deer to move if absorbs 2000 foot pounds of energy?

 

[snake river rufus]

Bumped to give others the chance to answer questions

 

[shoots-straight]

Ten feet if complete transfer occurs.

 

[snake river rufus]

And how far do animals move on being shot?

 

[snake river rufus]

They appear to be twice the bullet dia. If that isn't enough expansion what would be?

2nd chance for the question. And while we are at it buzz, could you show us a picture of your favorite bullet with more expansion?

 

[BuzzH]

Yeah, any partition...always more expansion than the barnes.

I would shoot barnes tsx on only one condition...if every other brand of bullet were out of business.

I've seen more than one or two cases of barnes, both the old x bullets and the new tsx, not expanding at all or way less than diameter. Not what I want in a big-game bullet at all, but to each their own.

Two kinds of bullets in the world...nosler partitions and crap/practice bullets.

 

[snake river rufus]

Yeah, any partition...always more expansion than the barnes.

So,, you will have no trouble providing proof? I did ask for a picture.

 

[snake river rufus]

I've seen more than one or two cases of barnes, both the old x bullets and the new tsx, not expanding at all or way less than diameter. Not what I want in a big-game bullet at all, but to each their own.

And do you have any proof of failed barnes bullets?

 

[BuzzH]

Yes, I have proof...99 dead deer, 39 dead elk, 57 dead antelope, a few bears, sheep, moose, etc., to name some of the unhappy customers that have crossed paths with partitions out of my rifles. A few more score of critters that I've seen shot with the same by others.

Yes to question 2.

 

[snake river rufus]

Yes, I have proof...99 dead deer, 39 dead elk, 57 dead antelope, a few bears, sheep, moose, etc., to name some of the unhappy customers that have crossed paths with partitions out of my rifles. A few more score of critters that I've seen shot with the same by others.

Yes to question 2.

That is not proof of double expansion or in fact proof of any expansion at all.
Prove your answer to question two.

 

[BuzzH]

Dufous...try this on for size:

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2904382/page/1/fpart/7

Check out that beautiful 'shroom...

Same results I saw with an old style barnes x out of a 264 win mag...recovered from a big-horn sheeps shoulder after breaking the pelvis/hip and lodging in the point of the shoulder on the off-side. Actually that particular bullet expanded even less than the one from the link above.

Much the same as another buddy encountered with a 300 win mag and barnes x. Perfect shot on a nice whitetail buck at 30 yards...animal ran 1/4 mile and piled up in a hayfield. Thirty caliber hole in...one broken rib and a thirty caliber exit hole.

Unless you're totally oblivious to the obvious...I've seen multiple posts, on multiple boards with similar pictures and proof. More than adequate for me to form an opinion on how the barnes tsx and x bullets have failed to perform over the years. I hunt too hard for a question mark on the bullet I choose. Never a doubt with a partition expanding to 2+ diameter on big-game...and thats a given.

Sorry, unless I'm hunting armored vehicles I have no use for barnes...

Any more questions or are we done here?

 

[BuzzH]

For the record...do you suppose the bullet that created this situation when going through an elk expanded to 2x its diameter?

Intuitively...even though I never recovered said slug...I'd have to say more than likely...what say you?

 

[BuzzH]

Just to reconfirm the facts...

This doe antelope shot with a 7mm RM and 160 grain partitions...do you think that bullet expanded to 2x diameter?

Again...living on the ragged, hairy, edge here...I'd have to say it did. Just a guess on my part though, but on par with what I've found when big-game and partitions meet. YMMV.

 

[BuzzH]

Another link...on this sight of a nice 'shroom from the tsx...AWESOME!

http://www.hunttalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39256&highlight=barnes+failures&page=2

SRR...you posted on this thread as well...did you forget?

 

[snake river rufus]

Dufous...try this on for size:

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2904382/page/1/fpart/7

Check out that beautiful 'shroom...

Same results I saw with an old style barnes x out of a 264 win mag...recovered from a big-horn sheeps shoulder after breaking the pelvis/hip and lodging in the point of the shoulder on the off-side. Actually that particular bullet expanded even less than the one from the link above.

Much the same as another buddy encountered with a 300 win mag and barnes x. Perfect shot on a nice whitetail buck at 30 yards...animal ran 1/4 mile and piled up in a hayfield. Thirty caliber hole in...one broken rib and a thirty caliber exit hole.

Unless you're totally oblivious to the obvious...I've seen multiple posts, on multiple boards with similar pictures and proof. More than adequate for me to form an opinion on how the barnes tsx and x bullets have failed to perform over the years. I hunt too hard for a question mark on the bullet I choose. Never a doubt with a partition expanding to 2+ diameter on big-game...and thats a given.

Sorry, unless I'm hunting armored vehicles I have no use for barnes...

Any more questions or are we done here?

All that I see are red 'X's what do they prove?
forestry must be a wonderful field to toil in, never having to provide proof
We're not done yet, your post said (in effect) that double expansion was not enough. So what is?