alaska,moose black bear hunt

[Wyodeerhunter]

you want to judge our laws, move up and become a resident.

What the hell does having to live up there have to do with this? NOTHING. Just because I don't live in a place means I cannot care about what is going on up there? Wow and I thought utards were stupid. I must apologize to the great state of Utah. I found guys that are more willing to tear up the land. All because they are lazy, or can't afford to be flown in??? I'm sure with the price of that ATV they could of flown in a couple times someplace. I would hate to see how you guys work. If you are lazy in your recreation hobbies I couldn't imagine the quality of work you guys do. It's quite sad, it really is.

Lets say you killed a monster sized moose with 71 inch wide antlers. The SOB weights roughly 2000 lbs. Your trip out with the head alone would want to pay for that ATV to pick up your animal... If you got it use it... That is like Gene Simmons only using 2 inches of his 7 inch tongue.

Where to begin on this one? Wow. "If you got it use it"? Well halfoncrack has two legs, why doesn't he use them? I don't give a #*^@#* if hes an old guy. That doesn't give him an excuse to tear up the land. Oh and btw, if you are going to shoot a 2,000 lb animal then guess what? Pack it out. It's not hard and you will feel great afterwards.

Have you guys asked yourself WHY halfoncrack is looking for people to go to AK with him? It is because all his past hunting partners are still having nightmares about all the land they tore up from the previous hunting season.

 

[lilbiggun]

Actually it means alot wyodeer. I am so sick and tired of you outsiders trying to tell us how to live our lives and what we can and cant do.

You guys screwed up the lower 48 with all your laws, dont mess with us. we have enough liberals in this state.

So mister smartass, what tore up that trail I took the picture of? I will tell you it wasnt a swamp buggy like what halftrack has shown. Better question is who payed the folks to tear it up?

Look, you maynot like some of our laws, thats fine. I could really care less. dont be slamming folks cuz we may use different tools to hunt with. Not everybody tears up trails or the environment around. I know some closemined folks on here think thats not a possible thought, but it is true.

 

[1_pointer]

I am so sick and tired of you outsiders trying to tell us how to live our lives and what we can and cant do.

I don't disagree with that. But if it involves federal land or projects involving federal money, then all outsiders do and should have a say...just like in the lower 48.

 

[guppie9]

I agree with you, also, pointer, to a certain extent. The problem is, so few people in America have actually been to Alaska and know what goes on up here. I understand what you are saying about federal lands. However, I have no idea what Connecticut is doing with their federal lands and, furthermore, I wouldn't pretend to know, or try to impose my will on them. There are so many people who are dead set against any kind of development (oil/gas, mining, etc.) simply because they have this notion of what Alaska is. While it may be federal lands, I think that the voice of the local people, people who have knowledge of the area, should have greater weight.

 

[ELKCHSR]

Expanding on what guppie stated...

The biggest problem with those in the lower 48 when it comes to voting on these issues are exactly what guppie said and these same people who vote with their hearts and not with their heads...

Funny how people at the pump are more than willing to open up the entire U.S. and its holdings to garner more and cheaper fuel, but when some thing along the lines of a Disney movie comes out, they throw all that aside and buy into the propaganda perpetrated thru these touchy feel good shows

It seems the 'ologists' on this board would be more in favor of "Sound" science based in facts from long term research, or what’s best for all on these topics. Instead of the same emotional state the Sheeple of America run on that has no basis in reality or what’s best for any thing, including the wildlife/wild places we all own...

 

[Buckmania]

What the hell does having to live up there have to do with this?


Dude, you are one ignorant SOB.........

 

[AkBearHunter]

The Law defines the MINIMUM acceptable behaviour that Society has deemed tolerable. If you want to live your life by the minimum accepted behaviour that society has said is permitted, then go for it. But don't get upset when other people have higher morals and ethics and life and don't need the Law to tell them the minimum acceptable behaviour.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.......same old shit from a clueless DSMFer. You think because you walk outside your door and shoot a deer that you have higher morals and ethics than those of us that use orv's? We've explained ourselves enough about this that we don't need to go into it again, you go ahead and walk and i'll ride my atv into my camp which is 20+miles from the nearest road, then I'll walk and hunt from there.

 

[AkBearHunter]

What the hell does having to live up there have to do with this? NOTHING. Just because I don't live in a place means I cannot care about what is going on up there? Wow and I thought utards were stupid. I must apologize to the great state of Utah. I found guys that are more willing to tear up the land. All because they are lazy, or can't afford to be flown in??? I'm sure with the price of that ATV they could of flown in a couple times someplace. I would hate to see how you guys work. If you are lazy in your recreation hobbies I couldn't imagine the quality of work you guys do. It's quite sad, it really is.



Where to begin on this one? Wow. "If you got it use it"? Well halfoncrack has two legs, why doesn't he use them? I don't give a #*^@#* if hes an old guy. That doesn't give him an excuse to tear up the land. Oh and btw, if you are going to shoot a 2,000 lb animal then guess what? Pack it out. It's not hard and you will feel great afterwards.

Have you guys asked yourself WHY halfoncrack is looking for people to go to AK with him? It is because all his past hunting partners are still having nightmares about all the land they tore up from the previous hunting season.

Holy shit, this has got to be the most retarded post I have ever read......congratulations!!!

 

[ELKCHSR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoseCuervo
The Law defines the MINIMUM acceptable behaviour that Society has deemed tolerable. If you want to live your life by the minimum accepted behaviour that society has said is permitted, then go for it. But don't get upset when other people have higher morals and ethics and life and don't need the Law to tell them the minimum acceptable behaviour.

Holy crap...

This quote would explain a lot about the individual who posted it and actions as a constant on this board...

 

[1_pointer]

While it may be federal lands, I think that the voice of the local people, people who have knowledge of the area, should have greater weight.

Locals in the lower 48 say the same thing... And generally that is the case because local people are often involved in the planning, but that does not mean that others can't have their opinion heard and addressed. It's the law...

It seems the 'ologists' on this board would be more in favor of "Sound" science based in facts from long term research, or what’s best for all on these topics. Instead of the same emotional state the Sheeple of America run on that has no basis in reality or what’s best for any thing, including the wildlife/wild places we all own...

Retard, learn a bit about public land management and you'll see that is exactly the case. Just because someone has the opportunity to comment (or protest or appeal) doesn't mean that is what is driving management and that science is ignored. The 'ologists' on this board and even those that don't post here are tasked with making sure that best available science is used in making decisions, but that doesn't preclude someone from Connecticut or a bunker in Anaconda, MT from having their opinion heard and addressed.

 

[ELKCHSR]

If you stoop to name-calling, you are not winning

LOL Tyler...

I'll repeat myself...

This is a great little quote....

 

[Wyodeerhunter]

The problem is, so few people in America have actually been to Alaska and know what goes on up here

I would beg to differ. Almost everyone I know has been to alaska at some point in their lives. Can't say the same for the majority of the states back east. Alaska is the place people want to go to still see the wilderness, not tracks all over from jackasses too lazy to hunt moose the ethical way.

lilbiggun,
Sorry I can't comment on your picture. The picture isn't really clear. I'm not sure what you are trying to get a picture of. But if I had to guess the road is made from either oil/gas exploration or gold/metal exploration. But its really hard to tell from that picture.

 

[guppie9]

So because you know people who have been here, that means that most of America has?? I would have to disagree with that. I think that out of 300 million Americans, a vast majority of those have never been to Alaska. I would say that the percentage of Americans who have been to, say, California, Texas, Florida, etc. is much higher than those who have been to Alaska. And when you subtract all those who just took a cruise up the inside passage, I would say that percentage would be even smaller. Just because they step off a cruise ship for 12 hours in Ketchikan or Juneau doesn't mean they have seen Alaska. Hell, I had a 4 hour layover in Atlanta one time, but I don't tell people that I have been to Georgia. I also wouldn't concern myself with a lack of wilderness in Alaska. You could go 5 miles from my house and have all the wilderness you want. You can also keep bashing me and calling me unethcial all you want. My conscience is clear. I use my ATV on approved trails only. I use them to get to where I am camping. From there, I hoof it. I'm happy that you have the kind of cash it takes to do a fly in or float trip every year, but I don't.

 

[guppie9]

Locals in the lower 48 say the same thing... And generally that is the case because local people are often involved in the planning, but that does not mean that others can't have their opinion heard and addressed. It's the law...

Unfortunately, it is usually not the case up here. Most Alaskans do not have a problem with development of resources up here. It is the outsiders with all the lawyers and environmentalists that have decided to impose their will. I have no problem with anyone giving comments or suggestions about federal lands. It just seems that the locals are not getting their voices heard in Alaska. Just look at the whole deal with drilling in the coastal plain. Most Alaskans, including most of the natives who live in that area, are for drilling. But because Bill Clinton decided to veto it, that oil is unavailable. A few year ago, the senate and house had a majority that wanted to drill, but they didn't have enough to overcome the filibuster that the democrats had put up. Who is putting up the biggest stink about it? Senators from New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, etc. Thats what I am talking about.

 

[JoseCuervo]

Unfortunately, it is usually not the case up here. Most Alaskans do not have a problem with development of resources up here. It is the outsiders with all the lawyers and environmentalists that have decided to impose their will. I have no problem with anyone giving comments or suggestions about federal lands. It just seems that the locals are not getting their voices heard in Alaska. Just look at the whole deal with drilling in the coastal plain. Most Alaskans, including most of the natives who live in that area, are for drilling. But because Bill Clinton decided to veto it, that oil is unavailable. A few year ago, the senate and house had a majority that wanted to drill, but they didn't have enough to overcome the filibuster that the democrats had put up. Who is putting up the biggest stink about it? Senators from New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, etc. Thats what I am talking about.

Guiseppe,

Don't you think that it might be a GOOD thing that people who do NOT have a profit motive and a financial incentive be considered in planning of use of MY PUBLIC LANDS? Sometimes people get a little blinded by the reflection of light of bright shiny object........

 

[guppie9]

That's right Jose. We're all a bunch of dumb, ignorant crows, just looking for something shiny to line our nests. Please save us.

 

[JoseCuervo]

That's right Jose. We're all a bunch of dumb, ignorant crows, just looking for something shiny to line our nests. Please save us.

If it is not the case, please offer a reason why Alaskans want their State drilled if it is not for the money? Is there a bigger "sacred cow" to Alaskans than their "God Given Right" to a dividend each year from the Oil money? What happens to politicians who suggest that it should be suspended/ended?

 

[guppie9]

I don't know, Jose, why does anyone in any state want to develop its resources? Why does Oregon cut down trees? Why does California and Florida grow oranges? Its a resource that we have up here. It is developed for the good of the nation, and, yes, the people of Alaska. The fact is, that by drilling in the coastal plain, we could increase domestic oil production by 5-15%. The complaint I hear is that it will take 10 years and not make a difference by then. The fact is, that if Bill Clinton would not have vetoed this 10 years ago, the oil would be flowing today. Would it make a difference at the pumps? I don't know that for sure. What I can say is that anything we can do to decrease our reliance on imported oil is a good thing.

 

[mtmiller]

I don't know, Jose, why does anyone in any state want to develop its resources?

By "it's" are you referring to Federal resources?

 

[guppie9]

No, Miller, I'm referring to the gas/oil/minerals that are the property of the citizens of the State of Alaska. I'm not sure who owns the resources of other states. I'm assuming the orange trees are private property. As for the lumber in Oregon, I don't know. Is it privately owned or leased from the government? Regardless, the question was why do Alaskans want to drill? The implication was that we are all just a bunch of greedy bastards. I was simply pointing out that every state has industries/resources that they develop. It is for the good of the nation and the individuals in that state. We are not different, in that regard, than any other state. We just have a little better deal up here.