A new Minnesota deer hunters group wants to shake up the politics of wolf control
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thusby
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It’s been said on here plenty, hunters have a hard time getting organized to lobby politically.
I’m glad these guys are getting together to try and make an impact.
I’m glad these guys are getting together to try and make an impact.
brocksw
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Looks familiar to me… I bet in the long run they’ll do more harm than good and science will get thrown to the wayside.
I'm not sure any organized or unorganized group can manage to compete with extreme environmentalists for that award.
Science has already been thrown to the wayside...
If anything science may have a greater chance returning, even a foot is better than the current.
more_cowbell
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Is “ballot box biology” considered science?
Wind Gypsy
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Jesus. Just what we need, the high fence CWD transport guy leading a deer advocacy group..
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Exactly. Not a penny of my money will go to any organization that guy is affiliated with. Not that I’d be donating to this group anyways.Jesus. Just what we need, the high fence CWD transport guy leading a deer advocacy group..
Deer Farmer Defies CWD Law, Faces Potential Jail Time
A Minnesota deer farmer defied a statewide quarantine in January by trucking three captive bucks to a hunting show in St. Paul. He will try on March 23 to convince a judge that the Department of Natural Resources lacked authority to impose the travel ban on privately-owned whitetails. The case...
brocksw
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Nope, I oppose it. But considering the guy in the video in the OP is also spreading misinformation about your MN DNR secretly bringing in mountain lions on a trailer, I highly doubt he’s fighting for "science" either.
Considering he’s promoting Shoot, Shovel, Shut up, or some derivative of it, I highly doubt he’s “for science”.
Considering this specific person has a long history of causing issues with your DNR(see windgypsys example and there are others), I’d say it’s highly unlikely he’s following “science”. In fact, I’d say it’s more likely that he would lie and twist truths to promote his own agenda, which is probably based around tearing down your DNR instead of finding truth or working towards a reasonable approach to wildlife and wolf management.
So, while there probably are some issues with wolves that need attention in MN, guys like that are the last people I’d want to have leading that charge or being the face of the org, especially if there are well funded and well organized animal rights or anti-hunting groups involved. Like I said, he’ll likely do more harm than good in the long run. He’s no better than the people you claim you’re fighting against.
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more_cowbell
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Certainly another polarizing issue, and people who appear to be on “the fringes” get the most attention. Im not an SSS guy but i hate to see ballot box biology and lack of effective management (like in Oregon), and the fact that in parts of Oregon elk and deer numbers have been declining for a lot of years now.
So I sympathize with other hunters facing similar issues and know the frustration of not knowing whether hunting can be passed on to another generation.
brocksw
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Like I said, that is the last guy I’d want leading that charge. Especially, if you’re fighting for future generations of hunting. His agenda is high fence deer farming and selling canned hunts. He’ll jump on any bus he can to throw chit at your DNR and as I’ve shown above, he gives “hunters” a bad look in this conversation.
tzone
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While Steve Proter is a bit of a tool, I like what he's trying to do. But don't for a minute think he's not gaining a profit by doing this. And I'm not saying he shouldn't but he hides behind the fact that he will.
But the MNDHA is garbage. I was able to figure that out as 15 year old kid.
tzone
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Science has been thrown by the wayside long ago. Whether it be for you covid or your hunting/fishing. It's all about the money now.
Dougfirtree
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I'm really starting to have a reaction to people talking about "the science." I'd like to institute a new rule:
In order to reference "the science", one must first define the question that is being asked and demonstrate that it is a question that can reasonably be answered by "the science."
In order to reference "the science", one must first define the question that is being asked and demonstrate that it is a question that can reasonably be answered by "the science."
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