woods89
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I cannot like this enough. Very well said.
A "common sense" proposal that will piss off both sides
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I can relate. I'm 61, been working my whole life, TRYING to have what we need for a good life. The work "system" today is much different than 20 years ago. People don't care about what they are doing. They just show up whenever, play on their phones and want a check. Not seeing the pride in their work like I used to. Management has taken the hard line of looking out for the shareholders and not the workers. I've been angry (not shoot anyone angry) and I'm a LOT crabbier about working in general. It seems like there is very little left in the normal workforce that would provide for a decent retirement let alone get ahead and live pretty comfortably. And I have what some would say is a good job! I couldn't imagine someone starting out today. Prices are nuts, people are afraid of their shadows, the government is COMPLETELY out of whack, and so on. Good luck, America.
Excellent point ! I am in that "young" group and see/hear it all the time. I hear "who cares" and I always say "you should " I have been taught that whether I am digging a ditch or setting behind a desk, do the best job you can do. Take pride in your work, regardless of what the job is.
And any able bodied person that is not working today, it is because they dont want to. In 2019, before Covid, the unemployment rate was the lowest it had been in 50 years ! The last time the employment rate was at 10% or over was in 1940. 82 years ago. I hear,"that job is below me" or "I can make more money on unemployment", or "that would be hard work" or ----
Anyway, Dave makes an excellent point. I am off with my family to thank those who fought to give us the right to express our opinions freely
Happy memorial day and to all of you who served, thank you !
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VikingsGuy
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As for the “kids don’t work hard anymore” narrative - I think it too is split - a subset of kids are busting their asses - as hard or harder than any generation before, and a subset who are languishing. I am amazed at some of the 28 yo I hire - their level of accomplishment and commitment to excellence is off the charts, but these are the subset that fit in the “knowledge worker” category.
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BuzzH
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I shouldn't but I have to...in particular on Memorial Day.
Its pretty easy to just tell someone to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when you haven't been in their situation.
In spite of what you may think, there are people out there that just don't have the capacity, structure, family, friends, or even proper nutrition to just find a job and go to school at night.
The government does a pretty good job looking out for the influential, those that excel at school, and gifted athletes. Working stiff, the working poor, not so much.
Pretty well defines the problem, and the dude making 31 million a year "will have to think about it"...unreal:
406dn
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Adding to BuzzH's post. For a very significant portion of the population, the die is cast, before their first birthday. Born into either privileged or impoverished circumstances, that person is very likely to stay in that situation.
The single best opportunity to climb the economic ladder is to do well in school. The person born into meager circumstances is more likely to be raised in a single parent home. Even if that parent wants to nurture their child's education, there is the constant financial insecurity. It would not be easy to parent your child with a sense of hope, if you are always struggling to make the rent money.
The child born into a comfortable circumstance is more likely to have both parents present in their lives. They are more likely to have a parent who reads to them, plays with them, nurtures them. They are far more likely to get piano, dance, sports, sleepovers, yada, yada.
I think the poor single parent wants their child to have a good life. They are so poorly equipped to set their child up to succeed, that they can't give their child a leg up.
I wish society could really reach every child and educate them to the extent of their capabilities. I don't really fault anyone there, that we can't seem to accomplish that. There are many pitfalls that make that goal more of a mission statement than a reality.
I was fortunate to have parents who gave me a leg up. It could have just as easily be that I was born into a much more difficult situation. It's naive to think my life would have turned out exactly the same, either way.
The single best opportunity to climb the economic ladder is to do well in school. The person born into meager circumstances is more likely to be raised in a single parent home. Even if that parent wants to nurture their child's education, there is the constant financial insecurity. It would not be easy to parent your child with a sense of hope, if you are always struggling to make the rent money.
The child born into a comfortable circumstance is more likely to have both parents present in their lives. They are more likely to have a parent who reads to them, plays with them, nurtures them. They are far more likely to get piano, dance, sports, sleepovers, yada, yada.
I think the poor single parent wants their child to have a good life. They are so poorly equipped to set their child up to succeed, that they can't give their child a leg up.
I wish society could really reach every child and educate them to the extent of their capabilities. I don't really fault anyone there, that we can't seem to accomplish that. There are many pitfalls that make that goal more of a mission statement than a reality.
I was fortunate to have parents who gave me a leg up. It could have just as easily be that I was born into a much more difficult situation. It's naive to think my life would have turned out exactly the same, either way.
BuzzH
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I would be happy if society could just give people the minimum. A job/wage that provides a single bedroom apartment, adequate food, medical care, a used vehicle to drive to work, maybe a way to retire and afford the basics the last few years of your life.
We're the wealthiest country in the world, and we can't even figure out how to provide that? I don't get it.
I'm not asking for everyone to have a second home in Aspen or a degree from Harvard.
We're the wealthiest country in the world, and we can't even figure out how to provide that? I don't get it.
I'm not asking for everyone to have a second home in Aspen or a degree from Harvard.
We do. For the illegal immigrants!
There's a lot going on in this thread. To hit on every rabbit hole is pretty much impossible. I'll start with the OP.
You can't have #1 and #14. There's no way to inforce universal background checks unless there's a registry. Being a FFL holder I can tell you that 99% of the crimes committed with guns are stolen and not obtained through any legal way. That's straight from my area ATF agent.
The non serialized frames or receiver is already hitting the books. All homemade firearms that come to a FFL have to be serialized. Rare breed triggers are also classified as an automatic weapon. There's lots of changes that are taking place before any of this happened.
FaF the government already knows who owns these and have already went through all the trouble to obtain them. I see no relevance of why anyone needs to give them up. They aren't the ones causing any problems.
Next is on other posts. The 2nd wasn't put there to make sure people could hunt you can do that with a bow. It's there so we can protect ourselves from people who wish us harm including our government. To the "the government has nukes" a government doesn't want to wipe everyone out. You can't control people who aren't there. Plus other governments would jump in.
As for teachers being able to carry or not that's exactly what the 2nd is about. Everyone being able to defend themselves. The choice should be theirs.
High capacity magazines. The police took 40 minutes to enter. Did it really matter if it was 5 rounds, 10 rounds, or 100 round magazines? Also, the SCOTUS has ruled that it's not the job of the police to protect anyone.
As pointed out other things are regulated like alcohol but when you go buy it you don't have a background check done. Lots more people are effected by alcohol related violence every year than guns.
To many people want to blame someone or something else. It's my dad's fault or it's the teachers fault or the guns fault. A lot of this started when parents and teachers could no longer discipline kids and the everyone gets a trophy. No one knows how to handle the real world.
Doing any more gun control will not change anything except the weapon used. In new York you have to pass a background check to buy ammo. That didn't stop the guy. Criminals don't care about the law.
You want to make schools more secure put 2 national guard members at the entrance to every school. The school I attended always had the doors locked. I lived in a county where the largest town was 1500 people. This was in the early 90's so locked doors at a school is nothing new.
You can't have #1 and #14. There's no way to inforce universal background checks unless there's a registry. Being a FFL holder I can tell you that 99% of the crimes committed with guns are stolen and not obtained through any legal way. That's straight from my area ATF agent.
The non serialized frames or receiver is already hitting the books. All homemade firearms that come to a FFL have to be serialized. Rare breed triggers are also classified as an automatic weapon. There's lots of changes that are taking place before any of this happened.
FaF the government already knows who owns these and have already went through all the trouble to obtain them. I see no relevance of why anyone needs to give them up. They aren't the ones causing any problems.
Next is on other posts. The 2nd wasn't put there to make sure people could hunt you can do that with a bow. It's there so we can protect ourselves from people who wish us harm including our government. To the "the government has nukes" a government doesn't want to wipe everyone out. You can't control people who aren't there. Plus other governments would jump in.
As for teachers being able to carry or not that's exactly what the 2nd is about. Everyone being able to defend themselves. The choice should be theirs.
High capacity magazines. The police took 40 minutes to enter. Did it really matter if it was 5 rounds, 10 rounds, or 100 round magazines? Also, the SCOTUS has ruled that it's not the job of the police to protect anyone.
As pointed out other things are regulated like alcohol but when you go buy it you don't have a background check done. Lots more people are effected by alcohol related violence every year than guns.
To many people want to blame someone or something else. It's my dad's fault or it's the teachers fault or the guns fault. A lot of this started when parents and teachers could no longer discipline kids and the everyone gets a trophy. No one knows how to handle the real world.
Doing any more gun control will not change anything except the weapon used. In new York you have to pass a background check to buy ammo. That didn't stop the guy. Criminals don't care about the law.
You want to make schools more secure put 2 national guard members at the entrance to every school. The school I attended always had the doors locked. I lived in a county where the largest town was 1500 people. This was in the early 90's so locked doors at a school is nothing new.
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BuzzH
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SMH...what a joke.
BackofBeyond
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Ah, socialism! That should solve our problems.
BuzzH
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Having to pay someone that works 40 hours a week so they can have the basics of a half decent life is socialism?
Your story, make it as big as you want.
Not sure what "I shouldn't but I have to" means, but if it was meant as some kind of a shot at me, dont worry about it. Your post, compared to some of the private messages I have gotten is very mild, plus I am not even sure it was a shot at me.
started working part time at 14, full time at 16 in the summers and part time during school, worked both a full time and part time job in college and not pretty jobs, but jobs that helped pay the rent and school. Dishwasher, car wash, waitress, clerk, janitor, landscaping, building fences, etc
If your talking "Homeless" your speaking about a subject that is near and dear to my heart. There are approx 500,000 homeless people in the U.S., which some will point out is a very small number compared to the population of the U.S. and they would be correct.
And my response is, if it is such a small number, why can't we figure out a way to get them off the streets, especially since 40% of them are veterans. The argument that some are there because they choose to be is true but we found this to be less than 10% of the homeless in Portland Or. and Houston, Texas when we spent several days and nights talking to them in 2019
If this is your concern, then we are riding the same horse. But I have witnessed some who simply want to milk the system instead of work. I am sorry, memorial day or not I can not support that. But if they are mentally and physically able, I believe they should find a job. Apparently there are some here that disagree with me about that and that is also o.k.
We have proposed to two different Senators the idea of refurbishing some old buildings into apartments and the biggest resistance we have received to this idea is liability, not money. But covid and Ukraine seems to have put everything else on the back burner.
406dn
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Do people even understand what socialism really is. Central to it is the government ownership of the means of production. No one is talking that, not that I've heard anyway.
Companies should succeed or fail on their own merit. In the real world government does put its thumb on the scale to prop up industries. Production agriculture is subsidized more heavily than most industries. There is an irony that so many of them are certain they are self reliant and vote accordingly.
BuzzH
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I agree about milking systems, too bad that we don't have the same contempt for corporations, those that wear cowboy hats, and drive tractors doing the same thing. Also too bad we don't have the political will to do anything about it.
BuzzH
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I don't believe they understand at it all, they read about it on a meme or a bumper sticker.
Happens in all economic classes of life. Like Buzz said, we just get more offended about it under certain circumstances.
BrentD
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We have a habit of spending millions to prevent the "milking" of 20 cents.
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