VikingsGuy
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ickkshould we nominate you to run for congress
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ickkshould we nominate you to run for congress
I've often wondered if the 60's movement to get women in the workforce has a measurable effect on this type of thing. I'm absolutely not against women in the workforce or anything like that. But, like I said, I do wonder if that had unintended consequences on children, crime, etc. So many variables though, it might be impossible to really get the granularity needed to statistically back that up.
Nah, they would be busy binging Gilmore GirlsI would think that if we brought them here today, they would have started the 2nd Revolutionary War by now.
wasn't my point, but you made my point.The school safety bill just codifies a clearinghouse that is already available. It obviously has not stopped school violence. I get that it's partisan hackery, but I also understand not giving them the out to say "we did something" when it's a big nothing-burger.
sounds to cheap> guys on this board want more tax dollars than thatBecause any gun regulation seems out of the question, how about this. Create secure, staged entry for every primary school in US and hire a full time security guard. Let's estimate the cost. Google says (Google is your friend), 131,000 primary schools in US. Let's guesstimate it costs $200,000 for each school to create this dual-stage entry with intercoms and cameras and safety class, etc. Probably low, but it will work for this purpos and some newer schools already have them. At about 115m US households, that is a one-time tax of about $230. The security guard is a variable cost and depends a lot on locale. But let's say $80,000? Fair? that is an annual tax of $90.
Can we agree on that? Who is in?
This tone is NOT OK - take it somewhere else!Wake up. This is the 21st century. The homestead militia as a national defense entity stopped being anything approaching practical or useful by 1860. And if you think a band of misfits could overthrow a "tyrannical" government with hunting rifles or even ARs, you are clearly delusional. To make that concept work everyone should have access to Blackhawk helicopters and SAM missiles. It's the only way a homemade militia could win. Read the history of Bloody Kansas or the REAL history of the Western Vigilantes. Probably more innocent people were strung up by vigilantes than real bad guys. One of Montana's early governors (Toole) narrowly escaped being accidentally executed in the middle of the night at a roadhouse on Evaro Hill. Fortunately, someone with enough credibility who could identify him happened to show up in the nick of time. My great uncle wasn't so lucky. Just a young kid, he was strung up in Lusk, WY on suspicion of horse theft. According to my great grandmother his real crime was being mentally retarded. And how about the group of seven Chinamen traveling through Montana to the Cariboo Gold Rush. A band of cattlemen vigilantes killed them all, apparently just for the sport of it. That militia mentality only served America up a lot of grief during its early growth. And it continues to do so. People who continue to think they need guns to overthrow the govt are so out of touch with reality they easily fit being classified deranged. Nuts with guns protected by the law = time to change the law so those nuts can't have guns. The louder you scream govt overthrow as essential to gun ownership, the more determined sensible 21st century Americans will be to take them away from you. Do the future of gun ownership a favor and drop the militia angle. Realistically it's nonsense and only hurts the cause.
I've been listening to some podcasts recently about landmark trial litigation. Several have dealt with cases involving tobacco companies. Same thing, they knew it was bad for people for a long time before they admitted it, and their own documents show that they exploited their customers as much as possible.I think we are still finding out the long term effects of Social Media and people being dependent on a screen beaming something into their brain every waking moment.
I don't think too many people would argue that social media or violent media is good for our kids mental health, but no one seems to want to talk about it. What was it, 6-8 months ago, that the Facebook whistle blower said the company knew how harmful it was particularly for young girl. But what happened? Facebook rebrands and everyone pretends they didn't hear it.
There is a huge component here. My wife always makes a joke that feminism lead to poor health and obesity. While she says it tongue and cheek there are some truths. First, that it gave rise to poorer quality highly processed foods and the food industry took advantage. Wages stagnated and now it's damn near impossible to be a middle class single earner household. Both parents need to work, if it's a divorced household it is likely even worse and some need to maintain two jobs. Income disparity has continued to grow and wages have stagnated since the 1970'sAnd how much money did corporations make by increasing the supply of labor, which stagnated or lowered wages? I have no data, but it's something I've wondered about.
Irony alertBro. That was Patrick Henry.
I'm 33 and living this life right now. We have 4 children and my wife is a stay at home mom, which is her choice. There are many financial sacrifices for sure. Everything about our economy seems to be set up for 2 wage earner households.How that would work for people even 5 years younger than me, just getting started in life, getting married and trying to buy a starter home for what they cost now, and then having and raising children on one salary….. seems impossible for most.
A deeper reading of 18th century colonial era shows a fair amount of debauchery, adultery, drunkenness, and absentee fathers.Probably something about disintegrating family values, godlessness, and immorality. Simply because 19 dead children and 2 dead teachers are Not all part of an inalienable right. There was murder before semi auto rifles and will be in the absence of them.
You are a better man than I, I have 2 kids. We've tried to keep them out of daycare as much as possible, been successful for each for some periods of time. Hat's off to my wife right now for working a full time job from home and taking care of my 5 yr old daughter. I'm incredibly lucky.I'm 33 and living this life right now. We have 4 children and my wife is a stay at home mom, which is her choice. There are many financial sacrifices for sure. Everything about our economy seems to be set up for 2 wage earner households.
For all that, watching my children growing up the way they are, it's totally worth it.
I'm not going to take credit, my wife runs a tight ship.You are a better man than I, I have 2 kids. We've tried to keep them out of daycare as much as possible, been successful for each for some periods of time. Hat's off to my wife right now for working a full time job from home and taking care of my 5 yr old daughter. I'm incredibly lucky.
Plenty of that, murders also. My response was more directed at mass murders being more of a mental illness problem than a right to bear arms issue.A deeper reading of 18th century colonial era shows a fair amount of debauchery, adultery, drunkenness, and absentee fathers.
Damn! Does she have a sister?I do too. And Im married to an example of a success story of women into the workplace via STEM. Doctorate degree, high salary, respected type of career, etc.
Or could @wllm1313 just give us a pretty graphPretty good discussion so far. Most the initial talking point responses have been given on both sides. I would love to hear focused proposals broken down into
- Here is the problem, specifically- mass shootings, school shootings, gun violence in general, or gang/drug violence
- Here is a solution- background checks, gun bans, mag capacity etc.
- Here is how and why it will work-It is my belief proposing new laws to stop criminals who are breaking current laws with utter disregard negatively affects only law-abiding citizens
I'm not sure, anecdotally probably impossible to answer. I've only been here a short time, and the law has been around since 1998 I believe?And do you feel that it was a good thing for the state to insist you do so? Has it made you safer? Not being a smart ass or a trope statement. Do you believe that it has helped stem gun violence in MA? Serious question.