7MMWSM A dieing Cal?

[mtmiller]

hey Craig....if you find any more brass and you don't feel you need more......got a couple of us in need of some Found 50 the other day, guy ended up getting 157 bucks for a bag of 50, that's getting a bit absurd

Wow, didn't know they were that short stocked. I probably have 5 or 6 hundred. They will be too hard to part with. I will keep my eyes out.

 

[sbhooper]

My understanding is that WInchester actually copyrighted the WSM name, so anybody that wants to produce brass for that line has to pay a royalty.

That is correct. Hornady refused to play their game and don't make the brass. I am sure others are the same. That really hampers the availability.

 

[MKotur325]

That is correct. Hornady refused to play their game and don't make the brass. I am sure others are the same. That really hampers the availability.

I think that factors in more with the 7mm WSM than others. With 4 in the Family, Remington, Norma and Nosler all make brass for the .300WSM and .270WSM, and Nosler also catalogs the .325WSM. I think with the limited options for the 7mm and the overwhelming popularity of the 7RM it just isn't good business sense for many companies to delve into the 7WSM. I think it's a fantastic cartridge, and let's remember that people weren't exactly breaking down doors to get a .280 Rem or 7-08 Rem when they first released. Both have a decent following now, and more available than at initial release.

 

[Southwind]

I think that factors in more with the 7mm WSM than others. With 4 in the Family, Remington, Norma and Nosler all make brass for the .300WSM and .270WSM, and Nosler also catalogs the .325WSM. I think with the limited options for the 7mm and the overwhelming popularity of the 7RM it just isn't good business sense for many companies to delve into the 7WSM. I think it's a fantastic cartridge, and let's remember that people weren't exactly breaking down doors to get a .280 Rem or 7-08 Rem when they first released. Both have a decent following now, and more available than at initial release.

Big 10-4, you can throw the 260 Remington in there too. It probably enjoys more popularity now than it did when it was released and is still slowly gaining ground but still alive.

 

[.280 Remington]

Resize the 300 just enough to form a false shoulder and fireform. No different than making 280 brass from 30-06.

Yes, as I said, its not a simple resizing.

 

[jryoung]

Yes, as I said, its not a simple resizing.

How is that not simple, running through FL die and then FF is the definition of simple.

Now going through a form, and trim, size and FF (a la 30-06 -.308win) is not so simple.

 

[HighDesertSage]

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270 WSM as a baseline is superior to both 270 Win and 270 WBY Mag, handloading only increases this difference.


http://www.browning.com/library/infonews/detail.asp?id=5

Granted these stats were produced by Browning/Winchester, but it is also backed up in every reloading manual I have seen. I don't have have any experience with the 270 WBY, but I have seen a major difference between the 270 WSM and 270 Win.

I do agree if purchasing ammo off the shelf, the difference wouldn't be worth it. But when reloading.....the extra potential proves out on the chrony

I guess if you reload it might be worth it. But even with these number at the browning site the standard 270 win is still 93% of a 270 WSM.

Also, federal premium advertises a 270 win load with a 130 gr trophy bonded tip @3200 w/ a 24" barrel. So it's not common, but hotter factory loads are out there.

 

[belly-deep]

How is that not simple, running through FL die and then FF is the definition of simple.

Now going through a form, and trim, size and FF (a la 30-06 -.308win) is not so simple.

It requires two if not three addiitional steps, so it really is not as simple as just a resize.

Not only do you have to make the false shoulder, but you have to fireform with a reduced load and then reload again before you have hunting ready rounds. With a simple resize, you just run it through the dies and go.

Of course, if you have a custom chamber like lawnboy or critter, you may have to turn necks as well, which creates an additional step.

That is a little too labor intensive for some, and one if the reasons the 7-300 wsm lives as a wildcat.

 

[sagebrush]

Exactly why I went with the 7MMRM on my last rifle. I have a friend that is in the process of building a 7MM SAUM. He has accumulated 200 brass for it and hasn't even started assembling the rifle. At least he is planning ahead because I think that is pretty close to being dead already.

 

[.280 Remington]

Exactly why I went with the 7MMRM on my last rifle. I have a friend that is in the process of building a 7MM SAUM. He has accumulated 200 brass for it and hasn't even started assembling the rifle. At least he is planning ahead because I think that is pretty close to being dead already.

I bought a used Model 7 300 SAUM a few years ago. Did the very same thing - stockpiled about 300 or so cases.

The whole Ultra Mag/Short Mag proliferation was a real goat rope. Greedy companies who didn't want to pay royalties to each other (and equally greedy companies wanting royalties on their designs) led to a bunch of dying chamberings a decade later. Of course, the people who bought their rifles are the ones who really suffer.

I'm not complaining, because I bought mine knowing full well what the future held. But I feel bad for others who didn't.

 

[thecrittergitter]

Wow, didn't know they were that short stocked. I probably have 5 or 6 hundred. They will be too hard to part with. I will keep my eyes out.

Dang!! HOARDER!!!LOL

 

[schmalts]

HA. I just reloaded 50 rounds today and did not have to break open any of the 4 bags of new brass I have in my treasure chest of brass.

 

[6speed]

I wouldn't part with my 7 shortie for double what I paid for it. I have about 200 rounds for it and a box of Berger hunters to play with once I get a few more empties.

 

[ShootsManyBullets]

I have a 300 WSM and really like it. I run 180gr Accubonds through it and find that it likes to make critters die quickly. Me and a buddy were having customs done a few years ago and I ended up pushing us to the 300 WSM over the 7mmWSM for many of the reasons guys are noting here with component issues. Just seemed like the 7 was going to be the loser of the Winchester marketing push.

Not sure the 270 WSM is quite the performer the 270 Wby is, but you do get the benefit of shorter action to cut some weight. My Wby spits out 140 gr Accubonds at 3300 fps and shoots tight groups. Accuracy from the Wby can be tougher to achieve b/c of the freebore issue someone noted earlier.

All are good calibers so it's really just personal preference IMO.

 

[ERSS]

I have a 300 WSM and really like it. I run 180gr Accubonds through it and find that it likes to make critters die quickly. Me and a buddy were having customs done a few years ago and I ended up pushing us to the 300 WSM over the 7mmWSM for many of the reasons guys are noting here with component issues. Just seemed like the 7 was going to be the loser of the Winchester marketing push.

Not sure the 270 WSM is quite the performer the 270 Wby is, but you do get the benefit of shorter action to cut some weight. My Wby spits out 140 gr Accubonds at 3300 fps and shoots tight groups. Accuracy from the Wby can be tougher to achieve b/c of the freebore issue someone noted earlier.

All are good calibers so it's really just personal preference IMO.

Regarding the 270 WSM, I think that is a fair assessment. I can push my .270 WSM with the same 140 grain accubonds up near 3300, but my go to load is closer to 3225, because that is where the accuracy maximized for me.

 

[bkondeff]

Yes it is, for factory ammo and SAAMI chambering.

Now, I much preferr .284 bullets to .277 and even .308, simply because they fly better. Since the 300wsm and 270wsm aren't going anywhere anytime soon, I would look at the 7-300wsm in a custom chambering and reload. This is a great round, if you reload. More efficient and similar in power to the 7mmRM, though frankly not enough to make a big difference out to 300 yards. Not looking to start a discussion about long rang hunting, but if you are only shooting out to 300 or even 400, there isn't a practical reason to justify any 7WSM. Of course there isn't a logical reason to own more than one gun for big game in NA if you have the same range limits and we all seem to justify more guns, so don't let logic stop you, I haven't!

 

[ABNRGRCSM]

.270 wsm

Don't mean to hijack the thread away from the 7mmWSM but I am having a custom rifle built by Kevin Weaver of Weaver Rifles and after much discussion decided on the .270WSM for a number of reasons. One that I don't see mentioned is the ability to have a shorter barrel and therefore lighter rifle. Thoughts?

 

[Southwind]

Don't mean to hijack the thread away from the 7mmWSM but I am having a custom rifle built by Kevin Weaver of Weaver Rifles and after much discussion decided on the .270WSM for a number of reasons. One that I don't see mentioned is the ability to have a shorter barrel and therefore lighter rifle. Thoughts?

You should enjoy the rifle and cartridge very much. At the end of the day it comes down to what you like and how it works for you and your hunting style for the game you pursue.

 

[ABNRGRCSM]

I couldn't agree more. I think the bottom line is that most will get the job done. Just boils down to what is important to you the shooter. I was looking for a super light, fairly flat, and accurate deer rifle that had a good choice of ammo. I really like all the .270 cartridges.

 

[cowboy]

Don't mean to hijack the thread away from the 7mmWSM but I am having a custom rifle built by Kevin Weaver of Weaver Rifles and after much discussion decided on the .270WSM for a number of reasons. One that I don't see mentioned is the ability to have a shorter barrel and therefore lighter rifle. Thoughts?

Shorter barrel = less bullet velocity and depending on barrel contour, more muzzle jump.
I know a guy that had his .338 WM barrel cut down to 20" so that it handled better. He thought it was the next best thing since sliced bread until we can a few of his reloads through a chronograph.

A lot depends on the bullet/speed you are trying to accomplish or maintain.

There is no free lunch or one size fits all.