ismith
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Anyone know what rate of twist would be best for a 15 grain .17 bullet @ 6126 ft/s?
6.5 CM as a hunting cartridge... why?
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Justabirdwatcher
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Having shot most of my deer with a bow since the 1970's, I understand enough about physiology to know how easy it is to kill a deer under ideal conditions.
So answer me this - what in your opinion are the advantages the 6.5 CM offers over the 7mm-08 or .260?
I don't ever go to the range with my 7mm-08 or .308 and wish I had a rifle that used a smaller case, less powder and fired bullets at a lower velocity.
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Stronger cases. mtmuleyProprietary powder
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I’ve killed a pile of deer, and I don’t know if I’ve ever killed one in “ideal conditions.” 78 degrees, partly cloudy, light cool breeze…
psinclair
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That’s not funny….
Why would you take such offense at minor incremental improvements in case design from almost two decades ago?
ismith
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Indestructible special steel alloy cases.
Doublecluck
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I tried to make myself like the 6.5 cm twice. Never really did it for me. Always liked carrying the kids 7-08 to the point I enjoyed hunting more with that than a cannon. But comparing the two saying one is better is silly
7-08 w 175-195’s @ like 2000-2200 fps would be interesting for a nrl hunter gun. 500-1000 yard shots would have like 10 minutes of come back time on the scope to spot your impacts.
7-08 w 175-195’s @ like 2000-2200 fps would be interesting for a nrl hunter gun. 500-1000 yard shots would have like 10 minutes of come back time on the scope to spot your impacts.
Long ranger still ain't ya? mtmuley
BuzzH
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I've never shot a 6.5 CM, but if that was all I had to hunt with the rest of my life, I don't think I'd give a FF. Neither would the animals I'd kill with it.
Potsie
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Reloading component availability is a big one.
Just did an ammoseek search for Lapua brass for each - .260 Rem had two sources, 7mm-08 had zero - 6.5 CM had pages… just an example.
As far as ballistics, there really isn’t any difference between the three that will make a mouse fart of difference.
psinclair
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Maybe I’m just lucky….
Another clean kill with a 90gr Atip.
And FWIW, I was probably one of the first guys to ever use a 22CM.
And I don’t own or never will own a 6.5CM. I do have two rifles in .260 REM, and have killed more than a few big game animals with both of them.
Another clean kill with a 90gr Atip.
And FWIW, I was probably one of the first guys to ever use a 22CM.
And I don’t own or never will own a 6.5CM. I do have two rifles in .260 REM, and have killed more than a few big game animals with both of them.
B&CTom
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I own a 7mm-08 and a 6.5 CM. I've taken a bear with both, 2 bull elk with the 6.5 and 1 with the 7mm-08. The results were the same. The biggest factor on the bigger, tougher game for me has been the bullet's performance. For example, it took a couple bulls with a 300wsm for me to figure out the bullet I thought was up for the task wasn't. Changed bullet options, and my results with that same caliber improved considerably
ismith
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You should start a hunting podcast when you retire. You would be like a grumpy Ron Spomer.
And there’s your answer.
Marketing
If you haven’t noticed yet it’s not because one is “better “ it’s how much hype and marketing can they pump into something to sell more. There’s not as much profit in selling plain old 06, 270, 6.5x55, etc. as there is selling new and improved rifles and ammo. Truth is, we’re reinventing the wheel all the time and don’t actually need any of this stuff to fill some ballistic void.
You’ve probably noticed that they monopolize the space by producing the ammo that supports the newest thing and phase out the other cartridge no matter how good it is. 7-08 is experiencing some of this IMO.
I could give two chits what people use as long as they can ethically kill an animal, use whatever you want. Hell, one of my best buds regularly kills with his.204 Ruger. Everything from coyotes, bear, deer, elk, and a big horn ewe. I tell him he’s an idiot and one day he’ll regret it. Whatever.
My issue is when the marketing becomes so phony and in my opinion dishonest, in the sense that they make it seem that the product does things that other cartridges are incapable of. Some of the marketing crap about recoil and inherent accuracy, etc. is just exaggerated hype IMO.
Anything to sell more. Which I don’t mind BTW. I like gun companies to be profitable and thriving.
Just wish they wouldn’t piss down our back and tell us it’s raining. It’s insulting to those of us that know a little bit about cartridges to constantly be told anything other than the newest thing is junk and not effective.
Rant over. Damn You! I wasn’t gonna get sucked into this conversation.
TheJason
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Ballistically? Nothing.
In all reality, you could probably load up a number of different rifles from .243
to .308 with the same bullet, same BC, same MV, and have them shoot an animal with each. I highly doubt anyone could tell the difference in how quickly the animal died.
All you get is more recoil as you go up. The difference in wound channels is meaningless.
TheJason
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I’m heading down to load up some 123
SMK right now.
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