.25 Creed! But Why?

[El Jason]

I’d take the 25 over the 6

More ooomph?

 

[MTLabrador]

I’d take the 25 over the 6

Kind of like a .257 Roberts for sleek bullets. I agree it’s pretty cool.

 

[Potsie]

More ooomph?

More wallops.

The true measure of authoritah.



But the more I dissect it, the .25 Creed really is the best of the 3.

 

[sclancy27]

I would rather have a 25 Creed vs 6 or 6.5 Creed. Why?

1. Less recoil than 6.5 Creed with same BC bullets and faster velocities for better wind bracketing. I also like to zero my rifle at longer ranges and this could accommodate a 250 or 300 yard zero, which I prefer to a 200 or 100 yards zero.

2. Better BC (by far) than 6mm bullets, with marginally more recoil. Better drops and wind brackets due to BC.

 

[noharleyyet]

 

[Gr8bawana]

why not, some guys love 25cal. Like we need another flavor of beer? LOL

As long as it's not an IPA

 

[Sheltowee]

Based on the numbers, no discernible difference between the 6.5 and the 25 Creed in the hunting field. 25 Creed with the new 128gr. ELD-X should smoke the standard 108gr. 6 Creed ELD-X (about 16% more mass) in on-game performance.

For 1k+ steel shooting, the 25 is going to be very incrementally more efficient and less prone to wind drift than the Creed.

The .25-cal is also quintessentially American, but y'all already know I'm a quarterbore fanboy. Currently have a .257 Roberts Ackley, a 25-7PRC and am having a 25PRC built. I'll rebarrel my 6.5 Creed to 25 if I ever shoot it out.

 

[antelopedundee]

To me it seems to close to the .270.
Which the 6.5 in 129 lrx barrnes doing just under 2900 is impressive

I recall an older article in maybe Handloader or Rifle magazine [possibly by Ron Spomer] discussing the 6.5 x 06. The parting shot was if you had or could get a .270Win why would you want or need a 6.5 x 06. Dang good cartridge IMO.

 

[ismith]

No .30 Creed out there. I'll stick with the RUM I guess. mtmuley

There is, it’s called the 300 Savage.

 

[ismith]

Pretty sure the phrase “There’s nothing new under the sun” applies here.

 

[jeff_gibbons]

For shooting steel at longer distances, I’d rather have the 25 than the 6mm for bc and bigger bullet splash. Benefit compared to 6.5 is less recoil.

 

[kodiakisland]

Pretty sure the phrase “There’s nothing new under the sun” applies here.

Yeah, but every generation thinks they've invented something new.
Powder and bullets have come a long way, but case design was hashed out many years ago.

 

[EastTNHunter]

What are real world performance numbers with this cartridge vs inflated marketing numbers? Looks like it may be a pretty cool “tweener” cartridge that could be a better mousetrap if the advertised numbers are true

 

[ismith]

The next greatest thing will be a 308 Norma case, necked down to .257, with a double radius shoulder.

 

[Sheltowee]

The next greatest thing will be a 308 Norma case, necked down to .257, with a double radius shoulder.

Close enough for government work: https://westtexordnance.com/25-7-prc-cartridge-development-and-test-results/

Basically a modernized .257Wby twisted for high BC bullets.

 

[jimh406]

Close enough for government work: https://westtexordnance.com/25-7-prc-cartridge-development-and-test-results/

Basically a modernized .257Wby twisted for high BC bullets.

Not at all equivalent to a 257 Weatherby speed if you look at the charts. Of course, a lot less kick.

But it’s not made to replace it either.

 

[Sheltowee]

Not at all equivalent to a 257 Weatherby speed if you look at the charts. Of course, a lot less kick.

But it’s not made to replace it either.

With all due respect, did you read the article I linked? I was responding to @ismith about the 25-7PRC, which hangs in the 3250-3300fps range with 133ish grain projectiles. Only a super-custom .257Wby would be throated and twisted to load such a high BC .25-cal projectile.

The .25 Creed's closest analog is probably the .257 Roberts, maybe the .250-3000. Of course, neither of those can sling the heavy-for-caliber projectiles the .25 Creed was designed around.

 

[ismith]

I have my eye on a really nice old Mauser Original chambered in 250-3000. Beautiful rifle, Kurtz action, as light and scopeless as god intended.

 

[kodiakisland]

The key here is twist rate. Y'all seem to be hung on on cartridge, and it just doesn't matter than much. Pre range finders, we shot the 257WBY because it was flat out to 400 yds, which we couldn't reliably estimate anyway. Now that's not so much of an issue.

I would much rather have a 250 or Bob in a beautiful rifle for pure hunting. For whitetail I rarely hunt with anything else. Beautiful wood and blued steel.
Fast twist is another animal all together. I'm really looking forward to a heavy, fast twist 25 that has decent barrel life. It will find a place in my rotation.

For those who don't want it, great. There's about a hundred other cartridge stamps out there to choose from.

 

[ismith]

The key here is twist rate. Y'all seem to be hung on on cartridge, and it just doesn't matter than much. Pre range finders, we shot the 257WBY because it was flat out to 400 yds, which we couldn't reliably estimate anyway. Now that's not so much of an issue.

I would much rather have a 250 or Bob in a beautiful rifle for pure hunting. For whitetail I rarely hunt with anything else. Beautiful wood and blued steel.
Fast twist is another animal all together. I'm really looking forward to a heavy, fast twist 25 that has decent barrel life. It will find a place in my rotation.

For those who don't want it, great. There's about a hundred other cartridge stamps out there to choose from.

Twist rate, bullet weight and powder Column shape, volume and composition.