Help Me Legalize Semiauto Rifle Big Game Hunting In Pennsylvania

[RealMuddyboots]

Wow, I thought I was reading a NFW crossbow thread. The choice of firearm includes a SA rifle. It's absurd to think OMG there will be bullets sprayed everywhere! News flash, SA weapons are legal for deer hunting. Not rifles but SA shotguns shooting a single projectile (no buckshot). So please tell me WTH is the difference? Expand it to rifles, magazine restriction to 5 to be similar to SA shotgun and be done with it. The photo is from this years PA regs. Yes, signing the petition.

General Hunting Regulations

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[2Die4]

Thanks for signing!

I, too, fail to see the difference between allowing a semi shotgun, but not a semi rifle...or pistol for that matter.

 

[Benfromalbuquerque]

The orange army is legion in the PA deer woods. I think adding rapid fire high power rifles sounds like an unnecessary liability. Sounds maybe worse than it is, as has already been mentioned NY allows semis for deer. NY doesn’t seem to have disproportionate deer season accidental shootings. OH always allowed semi shotguns and now also permits semi straight-wall rifles with the caveat that no long gun holds more than three shells.

 

[Schutzhund]

I read it and I'm wondering what the reasoning is for wanting them to be legalized? Being able to spray a barrage of bullets across the field or hillside does not contribute to safe hunting especially in a state with 630,00+ hunters in the state.
And this statement on the petition is not real-life. Even with a recoil or gas operated semi-auto you will lose the sight picture.

Semiautomatic rifles allow for faster, more accurate follow-up shots without disturbing the sight picture, which is crucial for quickly and humanely dispatching wounded game.

Look it up my friend, you can double that number of licenses sold...


Over 1.2 million buck tags? Eek

If you haven't experienced a few PA opening days you can't appreciate the lead being thrown in the air at times. It's not true for every corner of the state but it can be bad. You are safest in a tree stand


That's why I'm here...hunting western states and Alaska.

Pa resident..for now

 

[Schutzhund]

I like AR rifles just not in our deer woods. Love me, hate me ..I'll still buy you a beer if you are ever near 717 lancaster county.

 

[Mallardsx2]

Anyone who has hunted a opening day in PA would think fully automatic was already legal by sounds of it.

This.

 

[PAGOAT]

I signed it, the "hunters" in this state are ridiculous. I can use a Ruger 10/22 for small game but to take a Ruger mark iv to plink some squirrels is illegal. They feel like a change to a semi will ruin the deer hunting, news flash I can get about a dozen doe tags now days and hunt them for months. There is no one in the woods anywhere like the older days when I started hunting. The early muzzleloader was the end of the deer here then it was crossbows were ruining deer hunting then the Saturday opener was the end then Sunday hunting. Wait until the find out DMAP and other areas are rifle season through January oh my. The semi in deer season would be of no effect to anyone. People here semi and are right to a black rifle. For the folks against this what the difference with a Remington 760 or 742 in the deer woods?

 

[RealMuddyboots]

So what is the difference between a SA shotgun with high performance sabots and a SA rifle? According to a study, the shotgun is riskier under normal hunting conditions.

A SA rifle is no different. Do you actually think SA rifle hunters somehow change into completely out of control, blathering idiots, blindly lost control of all faculties, peeing down their legs? Seriously? If you don't like SA firearms, that's your choice. There is ZERO evidence of increased risk. This is no different than straight bows (non gender of course) to compounds. Then it was releases. Then crossbows. Now is SA rifles. Technology used for longer shots now under attack. Range finders should not be allowed. OMG Blue tooth technologies is from the devil. Its a choice not a requirement.

Let's solve this, iron sights patched round ball flintlocks only.

We have met the enemy and its us.

BTW, 18 years ago, PA hired Mountain Top Technologies to conduct a ballistics study (April 17.2097) to determine:

"Do Shotguns and Muzzleloaders Pose Less Risk than Centerfire Rifles for Hunting Deer in Pennsylvania?"

Prepared by: MountainTop Technologies, Inc. April 17, 2007 - SlideServe

Spatial and Ballistic Analysis Conducted Pursuant to Pennsylvania House Resolution 61 Relative to the Question: “Do Shotguns and Muzzleloaders Pose Less Risk than Centerfire Rifles for Hunting Deer in Pennsylvania?”. Prepared by: MountainTop Technologies, Inc. April 17, 2007.

www.slideserve.com

The current PA regulation that allows SA shotguns is based upon the last bullet point.

 

[2Die4]

Some great discussions here.

I am glad to see that, generally, we are moving away from hyperbole into reasoned thought.

Thanks for the new signatures for those who signed up.

Thanks for your opinion and respectful dissent for those who chose not to.

 

[2Die4]

I never saw that Mountaintop Technologies study before. Many thanks for sharing!

 

[RealMuddyboots]

I actually have the complete study which is about 27MB so tough to share. At one time it was available on line through PA but has been removed. Not sure why.

 

[2Die4]

I know this is a big ask, but please consider throwing the survey link up on Facebook/Instagram/X.

The more people that get eyes on it the better.

Thanks!

 

[2Die4]

Here is a link to the Mountain Top study that RealMuddyBoats mentioned.

It is a PowerPoint Slideshow type presentation with twenty some pages.

I am still looking for an actual download to I can read the whole things.

Once again, thanks to RMB for sharing!

https://www.slideserve.com/chandler-lambert/prepared-by-mountaintop-technologies-inc-april-17-2007

 

[cur dog]

Thanks for signing!

I, too, fail to see the difference between allowing a semi shotgun, but not a semi rifle...or pistol for that matter.

Distance

 

[2Die4]

Distance

While rifle cartridges have the greatest ranging ability, rifle, pistol and shotgun (slug) projectiles can all travel well over one thousand yards.

 

[RealMuddyboots]

So a SA shoots farther than a bolt action? Pump action? Single shot?

The Mountain Top Study addresses all aspects of ML, rifle and shotgun. We can disagree with their results but they have the academia, experience, knowledge, technology, military ballistics background that NONE of us have in our "personal" opinions.

SA rifles legal for deer hunting in NY, a loony left legislative state (BTW I escaped years ago) so are NY hunters exceptional? Just better than PA hunters? NY is more populated as well.

Again, personal choice is an individual choice not a mandate for everyone else.

 

[RealMuddyboots]

Even Michigan allows SA rifles, so c'mon guys.

 

[PAGOAT]

So a SA shoots farther than a bolt action? Pump action? Single shot?

The Mountain Top Study addresses all aspects of ML, rifle and shotgun. We can disagree with their results but they have the academia, experience, knowledge, technology, military ballistics background that NONE of us have in our "personal" opinions.

SA rifles legal for deer hunting in NY, a loony left legislative state (BTW I escaped years ago) so are NY hunters exceptional? Just better than PA hunters? NY is more populated as well.

Again, personal choice is an individual choice not a mandate for everyone else.

It wasn't long ago southern zone of NY was shotgun only also. They then switched right to SA rifles. I hunt deer in NY most years and I cannot remember ever seeing a SA in the woods or camps. It'd be interesting to see if or by how much hunting accidents went up in NY the past ummm 10 to 15 years since the switch to centerfire and semi's for information to help the op.

 

[CowboyLeroy]

Wild opinions in here