jryoung
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Let's hope Mike Lee doesn't end up as AG.
12 states join Utah
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appaloosa
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Not at all surprised to see the entire Freedom Caucus in Wyoming sign on to this crap. How that clown show continues to gain support in Wyoming is a total mystery to me.
Aperventure
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Or worse, on the Supreme Court ruling on this case
BuzzH
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Because people vote them in.
MTelkHuntress
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Commissioners decline to support Utah lawsuit over BLM lands - Bitterroot Star
by Michael Howell In a two to one vote, the Ravalli County Commissioners recently rejected a resolution expressing support for the State of Utah lawsuit before the U. S. Supreme […]
Ravalli County Commissioners recently discussed whether or not to support the lawsuit. Thankfully they voted 'no' in the end but the discussion was interesting.
"Commissioner Greg Chilcott spoke repeatedly in favor of the resolution. In moving to approve the resolution, he said, “Distilled down to the basic question, the question that’s being asked is whether the federal government can hold unappropriated lands. There’s a lot in there, but at the end of the day the question is, can they hold unappropriated land? It has long been argued on both sides as to where state sovereignty falls in this. Can states manage lands? In some cases, I don’t think states can. But these are unappropriated lands… The question is not whether they can be taken out of public ownership. In fact Utah has expressed that it is not their intent to take public lands and make them private… But I think the states in some cases can manage public lands and I believe personally that the best management is management that is closest to home. I think it’s a question that’s been out there for decades and it’s time to put it to bed one way or the other.”"
SAJ-99
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That’s a word salad. A true politician.Commissioners decline to support Utah lawsuit over BLM lands - Bitterroot Star
by Michael Howell In a two to one vote, the Ravalli County Commissioners recently rejected a resolution expressing support for the State of Utah lawsuit before the U. S. Supreme […]bitterrootstar.com
Ravalli County Commissioners recently discussed whether or not to support the lawsuit. Thankfully they voted 'no' in the end but the discussion was interesting.
"Commissioner Greg Chilcott spoke repeatedly in favor of the resolution. In moving to approve the resolution, he said, “Distilled down to the basic question, the question that’s being asked is whether the federal government can hold unappropriated lands. There’s a lot in there, but at the end of the day the question is, can they hold unappropriated land? It has long been argued on both sides as to where state sovereignty falls in this. Can states manage lands? In some cases, I don’t think states can. But these are unappropriated lands… The question is not whether they can be taken out of public ownership. In fact Utah has expressed that it is not their intent to take public lands and make them private… But I think the states in some cases can manage public lands and I believe personally that the best management is management that is closest to home. I think it’s a question that’s been out there for decades and it’s time to put it to bed one way or the other.”"
Utah’s only after BLM lands now….
wyofile.com
Utah: We’re no longer asking Supreme Court to ‘dispose’ of public BLM land - WyoFile
Beehive State’s latest court papers mark a ‘seismic shift,’ attorney says, in its 18.5M-acre ‘land-grab’ suit.
wyofile.com
appaloosa
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They are panicking now because someone reminded them that the state can't actually acquire anymore federal lands. So, if the federal government is forced to dispose of it, it might go on the auction block and be available to anyone.
So, now they are backtracking and trying to figure out what they actually want should the SC rule it unconstitutional.
Effing clown show in Utah!
So, now they are backtracking and trying to figure out what they actually want should the SC rule it unconstitutional.
Effing clown show in Utah!
As I had said from the beginning- the original filing was a pie-in-the-sky overreach, and it may have been strategically so.
This shift to specifically target unappropriated BLM makes it much more of a realistic possibility.
Gird your loins, boys- the Doge bros are coming soon to a state near you.
This shift to specifically target unappropriated BLM makes it much more of a realistic possibility.
Gird your loins, boys- the Doge bros are coming soon to a state near you.
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BuzzH
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The "Doge boys" have less authority than a city dog catcher. Unpaid advisory committee that just got a lesson/schooled on CR's and trying to shut down the government.
Real impressive...and so effective.
Agreed. But for right now anyway, they have substantial political leverage.
We have seen Congress and the SC do the bidding of a cult of personality out of fear in the past- we may or may not again here soon. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.
(Also- I am using “Doge Bros” as a pejorative here…)
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BuzzH
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Doge bros are not a problem, toothless dogs, freedom caucus and alt-right? Different beast there.
Southern Elk
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So they had a change of heart?
From the article…
Compared to Utah’s initial complaint, the latest filing is “a much softer request … a much weaker ask than the headlines have made out,” Semerad wrote in an email. “In the end, Utah just wants the Court to tell Congress that it must give the Secretary of the Interior more leeway to sell off or transfer lands, eventually.”
From the article…
Compared to Utah’s initial complaint, the latest filing is “a much softer request … a much weaker ask than the headlines have made out,” Semerad wrote in an email. “In the end, Utah just wants the Court to tell Congress that it must give the Secretary of the Interior more leeway to sell off or transfer lands, eventually.”
No change of heart; same goal, just different tactics with what they are betting will be a friendlier crowd, where Congress can write a wide open piece of legislation compared to a judiciary that might place sideboards and specifics if, big if, they were to side with Utah.
Just doing some casual Christmas morning reading here while I wait for my family to wake up.
I'm just a guy who doesn't work in gov't or the hunting industry in any capacity. How exactly can I make an impact resisting this bill (and general movement)?
I'm in Montana. Should I write my respective politicians - including the state AG - about this?
Effective advice appreciated, and Merry Christmas!
I'm just a guy who doesn't work in gov't or the hunting industry in any capacity. How exactly can I make an impact resisting this bill (and general movement)?
I'm in Montana. Should I write my respective politicians - including the state AG - about this?
Effective advice appreciated, and Merry Christmas!
Vote out people that support this type of thing; write them, call them, make a stink on their social media pages, write letters tot he editor, etc. Make sure they know thoughts like this are a bad idea and there silly career in public office could be in jeopardy if they continue to support it
Talk with MWF to see what they are doing to oppose this action.
Protecting Public Access - Montana Wildlife Federation
Montana Wildlife Federation ensures your right to hunt, fish, and enjoy the outdoors by protecting public lands and public access.
montanawildlife.org
Communicate with any elected person you know, whether County Commissioners, state land board members (which the AG is one of them), or state legislators. Make sure your hunting friends are informed about what the consequences of this effort would be.
Also, advocate where/when you can for better Federal land management. That is a frustration we all share, and serves as the fuel for these fringe groups to convince elected officials that giving this land away is the best solution. It’s a terrible solution and we need to do the hard work of tweaking the laws that prevent better land management.
On it! Thanks Big Fin
I'm pretty low on the societal totem pole but I can be resourcefulOn it! Thanks Big Fin
