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After reading some of the clearly uneducated comments on this post. Some of you must really be itching to get out your Tiki torches, Kakis and start some bonfires. You're going to "fix" the immigration issue(thats not a issue at all) because you believe everything you hear on Fox News and sites like Turning Points....... Privileged white people complaining about immigration Ha
 
SAJ-99 said:
Well, first I don't think the current mess is this Administrations fault alone. Immigration has been a mess for decades if not longer, and problems have ebbed and flowed like an ocean tide. Politicians like to blame the other side and pretend their solutions work. This administration will do the same. The current problem probably has a lot to do with the cuts in Foreign aid to Central American countries made by the last administration. It makes great headlines to say you are cutting funds to those countries because they won't stop illegal migration, but it just creates more illegal migrants. There has to be some willingness to admit that may not have been a great idea. As taxpayers, I'm not sure which ends up being more expensive to us, paying the aid or dealing with the migrants. Basically, both choices suck. But it does allow politicians plenty of ammo for blaming the other side, which is fuel for the fire.

I'm mostly concerned that politicians can't have a rational discussion on what has worked and what has not. The cynic in me says I'm not sure either side wants to solve the problem (the illegal migrant problem or basically any other problem). I would love to see a third party created that builds from the rationale sides of both parties. I'm getting sick of the fringes dominating the conversations
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I took a day to think about what you said and it is people like you and I who are the problem . We don’t hold the people we elect to the standards of the office ! President Joe Biden is responsible for the rush on the boarder , my god they were chanting his name on the way. There is no shame to be wrong in who you voted for or disapprove of something they are doing! Get off the party line and review the facts , then express your opinion and make your voice heard . One million undocumented people across our southern boarder , camps set up with deplorable conditions , rapes and violence . All because of Joe’s executive order! We can’t blame anyone more than the guy who single handily changed the protocol !

Past administrations have cause their own set of problems , that is all true however this is Joe Biden’s country to run now and with all do respect he has done a poor job. Trouble is getting back to the topic of this thread is liberals just throw American tax payers money at the problem. Never changing anything , good money after bad! I see it everyday , my wife is the director of public housing in a county in Pennsylvania ! HUD money , fed money , state money and Covid money ….. money from grants and nothing changes. Stimulus checks used for TV ‘s and Xboxes , people on fixed incomes not paying rent because of Covid protocols because they could not be evicted but as soon as the moratorium was lifted my wife was inundated with request for repayment programs ! The system is broken we can’t save the world without the help of those who are being helped ! Immigration is great let’s just get some real immigration quotas in effect and not invite the worlds problems here until we really know what we can do. This did not work more over it’s a miserable fail !
 
Rainer said:
the immigration issue(thats not a issue at all)
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I would love to introduce you to the Bisbee area rancher, who’s place I was on for work last month. Dogs killed, cars stolen, 2 home invasions, fences constantly cut, cattle get on the highway. Hitting one killed a person a few years back too

We could drive down the road from her place and find her neighbor’s kids, who’s dad was gunned down on his own property by an illegal. We could go to the women’s shelter, of which there are several nearby, and find you a translator so you could express your beliefs to the Central American women that have been repeatedly raped over the last 4 months as the cartel smuggled them from Honduras to the middle of the Tohono O’Odham Reservation before leaving them for dead on a 110 degree day in the desert.


Then there’s just the ecological damage. I could show you that easily. Cattle and horses in the SDNM from the Rez because the smugglers cut the fences faster than the BLM can repair the fences. Literal tons of trash everywhere. Plastic water jugs that will never decompose. Vehicle Tracks all over the desert wilderness areas from load vehicles. You ever look at the Cabeza Prieta on google earth?

Even if we somehow decide that people don’t matter, the environmental impact of immigration makes the problem worth solving or reducing.
 
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BuzzH said:
Wrong...wait until you buy a boat, truck, etc here. Property taxes and vehicle registrations aren't cheap either.
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Property taxes are fair in Wyoming. Don't need a boat, and have 2 trucks already. Vehicle registration can't be more than Montana is (new vehicle anyways).
 
Rainer said:
After reading some of the clearly uneducated comments on this post. Some of you must really be itching to get out your Tiki torches, Kakis and start some bonfires. You're going to "fix" the immigration issue(thats not a issue at all) because you believe everything you hear on Fox News and sites like Turning Points....... Privileged white people complaining about immigration Ha
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Have you ever posted anything hunting related?
 
MTGomer said:
I would love to introduce you to the Bisbee area rancher, who’s place I was on for work last month. Dogs killed, cars stolen, 2 home invasions, fences constantly cut, cattle get on the highway. Hitting one killed a person a few years back too

We could drive down the road from her place and find her neighbor’s kids, who’s dad was gunned down on his own property by an illegal. We could go to the women’s shelter, of which there are several nearby, and find you a translator so you could express your beliefs to the Central American women that have been repeatedly raped over the last 4 months as the cartel smuggled them from Honduras to the middle of the Tohono O’Odham Reservation before leaving them for dead on a 110 degree day in the desert.


Then there’s just the ecological damage. I could show you that easily. Cattle and horses in the SDNM from the Rez because the smugglers cut the fences faster than the BLM can repair the fences. Literal tons of trash everywhere. Plastic water jugs that will never decompose. Vehicle Tracks all over the desert wilderness areas from load vehicles. You ever look at the Cabeza Prieta on google earth?

Even if we somehow decide that people don’t matter, the environmental impact of immigration makes the problem worth solving or reducing.
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As reluctant as I am to post on this thread

For those of you who have no first hand knowledge or experience of the situation at the border or those who live "at the border", read the above post and then IMHO, triple it ! It is horrific for both. Americans who live at or near the border and those who were promised so much that they elected to "sell their or one or more of their families soul's" to get to/across the border .

Granted this is not a new problem, but it has gotten so far out of hand, it is both unbelievable and heartbreaking for both American citizens and those trying to cross into America.

You can not promise to open the border to everyone and anyone who wants to come and not expect those who are looking for a better life from Mexico, Haiti , Cuba, Central and South America, not to do whatever they can or have to do to get here. Enduring rape, sex trafficking of minors, drugs, forced labor, starvation, death. And you can be sure that those who want to harm America from within ( terrorists ) are looking at our vulnerability at the border.

Many Americans have been "ordered" to take the Covid vaccination, as well as mask mandates . Has everyone coming across the border been vaccinated and are they all wearing a mask.?

One last thought. Instead of encouraging people from other countries to come at this time, perhaps we should notify the world that we are not going to allow anyone else to immigrate until we have zero unemployment . Those who want to come should file paperwork and after we have achieved 95% employment we will start processing new applicants for citizenship. We would spend less at the border and spend less on unemployment checks going out, as everyone would have a job. Wouldn't that be novel. Government looking for ways, not, to spend our money
 
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Pmacc60 said:
I took a day to think about what you said and it is people like you and I who are the problem . We don’t hold the people we elect to the standards of the office ! President Joe Biden is responsible for the rush on the boarder , my god they were chanting his name on the way. There is no shame to be wrong in who you voted for or disapprove of something they are doing! Get off the party line and review the facts , then express your opinion and make your voice heard . One million undocumented people across our southern boarder , camps set up with deplorable conditions , rapes and violence . All because of Joe’s executive order! We can’t blame anyone more than the guy who single handily changed the protocol !

Past administrations have cause their own set of problems , that is all true however this is Joe Biden’s country to run now and with all do respect he has done a poor job. Trouble is getting back to the topic of this thread is liberals just throw American tax payers money at the problem. Never changing anything , good money after bad! I see it everyday , my wife is the director of public housing in a county in Pennsylvania ! HUD money , fed money , state money and Covid money ….. money from grants and nothing changes. Stimulus checks used for TV ‘s and Xboxes , people on fixed incomes not paying rent because of Covid protocols because they could not be evicted but as soon as the moratorium was lifted my wife was inundated with request for repayment programs ! The system is broken we can’t save the world without the help of those who are being helped ! Immigration is great let’s just get some real immigration quotas in effect and not invite the worlds problems here until we really know what we can do. This did not work more over it’s a miserable fail !
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Reasonable view. Biden did cause some of it, but messaging has changed. Trump caused some of it, but doesn't have to be blamed now. But like I said, anyone outraged by this problem now is just trying to make a political point. This is America and we tend to just throw money at every problem as a solution. I agree that it is hard to tell if it works or not, or even if it is the cheapest most effective solution. Illegal immigration has been a problem for decades (a declining problem actually, if you look at the stats). Hard to hold people accountable for a problem no one seems to be able to solve. Maybe we just decide that there are too many problem countries and we can't be their solution. Kind of against the "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,...". Like OTC tags in most states, they just end because it is not logistically feasible to continue them with such high demand. I like the idea of legal immigration but even that is a mess. Some members of each party want more H1B visas, other members want less. It is all pandering to the base.
 
SAJ-99 said:
Not sure your point. I didn’t say All. And less than 50% is still significant. And it is for one month (Feb). And those not deported under 42 could still later be deported, as could those processed under section 8.

I think some people just don’t want any immigration. That is decision we can make as a country, but it sort of against our core principles. We might need to remove the words on the Statue of Liberty, but times change.
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This is ILLEGAL immigration. I'm almost certain if you polled HT members 99% would agree that legal immigration is good for our nation. What we see at the southern border is far from legal. Finish building the f'n wall and get this situation on the border under control.
 
I'm back to a place with an internet connection, albeit almost like dial up. Not sure what this thread has to do with public land hunting. With some creativity, I can remotely connect it as a contributor to the overpopulation of this country and how that impacts resources.

I'll let it go for five more posts to connect the topic to public land hunting before it gets locked.

(FWIW, I think it is a stupid idea to spend money on this, but that's for FB, not HT).
 
Rainer said:
After reading some of the clearly uneducated comments on this post. Some of you must really be itching to get out your Tiki torches, Kakis and start some bonfires. You're going to "fix" the immigration issue(thats not a issue at all) because you believe everything you hear on Fox News and sites like Turning Points....... Privileged white people complaining about immigration Ha
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Oh no....someone called us racists!! You should be ashamed to even go down that road. This has nothing to do with skin tone.
 
So what i believe the poster was getting at, although it took 5 pages of comments to get there, is that with this new policy of pay outs to the illegal border crossers the hunting units along the southern border are going to suffer. People will continue to try sneaking over, hoping to get their children taken and receive the big pay day. What got forgotten was that we were hoping onx could do research and gather some data on these border units therefore helping us steer clear of the units you would be more likely to encounter human trafficking than a mule deer or so on.🤔😆😆 How about a 10 for trying!! Lol!!
 
LWC55 said:
I'd say the simple solution would be to take away the incentive for coming here illegally....jobs, free education, healthcare, welfare, etc...

Wouldn't be too difficult. But neither side wants to give up the $$$/votes
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Yep. Once you put milk out for one cat more will come.
 
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