Erik in AK
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Tom said:
Uh....then you're an idiot for bringing all that meat to where you sleep and you deserve to have a hungry bear in your tent. I guess your patron Saint would be Timothy Treadwell (ps not you personally Tom)
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Uh....then you're an idiot for bringing all that meat to where you sleep and you deserve to have a hungry bear in your tent. I guess your patron Saint would be Timothy Treadwell (ps not you personally Tom)
noharleyyet
Well-known member
JoseCuervo said:NOHarley,
You have a Texas accent, can you translate Tom's statements????
I don't know what Moosie or Tom is talking aboot, eh?
Moosie
Grand poopa
noharleyyet said:I don't know what Moosie or Tom is talking aboot, eh?
Ohhh......
What is he talking aboooot ?.....
MarvB
Well-known member
...your flashlight won't work Tom!
...you took the batteries out of it for the electric fence, remember?
Tom
New member
google.com found Timothy Treadwells final letter. He didn't use a gun, spray or fence.
He loved the bears.
Outside Magazine January 2004
Some Bet on My Death
In a stunning final letter, Timothy Treadwell speaks out on naysayers, fear, and what he believed was acceptance into the clan of the bear
THIS PAST SUMMER—his 13th in Alaska—Timothy Treadwell wrote frequent letters to family and friends, including Roland Dixon, a Bellevue, Colorado, rancher and conservation activist who was one of Treadwell's most steadfast financial supporters. In late July, Treadwell had arrived in the area he called the Grizzly Maze, the vast tangle of meadows and thickets stretching inland from Kaflia Bay. To his delight, the Maze's bears were faring well, particularly one he called Aunt Melissa, and her two cubs, Lilly and Dixon, the latter named in Roland Dixon's honor. As Treadwell wrote to Dixon on August 25, he believed he was experiencing a breakthrough: "I am in the most exciting and dangerous time of my...fieldwork. I am so deep within the brown bear culture. It is fascinating, beautiful, and at times treacherous." His last letter to Dixon—which Dixon has provided exclusively to Outside, hoping to give Treadwell a voice in the controversy over his death—was flown out on September 14 by a bush plane carrying supplies. It would be one of his final communications to the outside world.
EXPEDITION 2003
Timothy Treadwell
The Grizzly Maze, Alaska
Sunday, September 14, 2003
Roland...
Hello! I am writing you a last letter for the journey. My last food delivery is scheduled for late today.
My transformation complete—a fully accepted wild animal—brother to these bears. I run free among them—with absolute love and respect for all the animals. I am kind and viciously tough.
People—especially the bear experts of Alaska—believe this cannot be done. Some even bet on my death. They are sure you must have some sort of weapon for defense—pepper spray at the least, an electric fence a must. And you cannot hope to make it in a flimsy tent under thick cover among one of Earth's largest gatherings of giant brown grizzly bears.
People who knowingly enter bear habitat with pepper spray, guns, and electric fences are committing a crime to the animals. They begin with the accepted idea of bringing instruments of pain to the animals. If they are that fearful, then they have no place in the land of this perfect animal.
Could I look at Dixon, Lilly, and their mother, Melissa, and tell them that I love them, that I will care for them, with a can of mace in my pocket? Does the fox or vole get zapped by the wicked sting of an electric fence for being curious?
This wilderness—the Grizzly Maze—had big problems not too many years ago. People who came to kill the animals. I was threatened with death. One group promising to stuff me alive in a crab pot and submerge it in the icy sea.
They are gone now. The Maze returned to the animals.
You made this possible. I am a miserable fundraiser. Without you these animals would have been left without any care. Care that I can offer them without any displacement or disrespect. I even erase my footprints.
. . . You got me here for so many years. I will always remember and be thankful. . . . I will tell [the bears] of your kindness and generosity. Animals alive because of you. Myself included.
Sincerely,
Timothy Treadwell
How about this, 58-X, use any number for X. If most die older than 58, then most die older than 58-X, and the rest die younger. 58 doesn't say much, eh? Something is missing there, I figured that out. We need more info. to clarify it, the 58 is not clear from the get go. No politics involved.
He loved the bears.
Outside Magazine January 2004
Some Bet on My Death
In a stunning final letter, Timothy Treadwell speaks out on naysayers, fear, and what he believed was acceptance into the clan of the bear
THIS PAST SUMMER—his 13th in Alaska—Timothy Treadwell wrote frequent letters to family and friends, including Roland Dixon, a Bellevue, Colorado, rancher and conservation activist who was one of Treadwell's most steadfast financial supporters. In late July, Treadwell had arrived in the area he called the Grizzly Maze, the vast tangle of meadows and thickets stretching inland from Kaflia Bay. To his delight, the Maze's bears were faring well, particularly one he called Aunt Melissa, and her two cubs, Lilly and Dixon, the latter named in Roland Dixon's honor. As Treadwell wrote to Dixon on August 25, he believed he was experiencing a breakthrough: "I am in the most exciting and dangerous time of my...fieldwork. I am so deep within the brown bear culture. It is fascinating, beautiful, and at times treacherous." His last letter to Dixon—which Dixon has provided exclusively to Outside, hoping to give Treadwell a voice in the controversy over his death—was flown out on September 14 by a bush plane carrying supplies. It would be one of his final communications to the outside world.
EXPEDITION 2003
Timothy Treadwell
The Grizzly Maze, Alaska
Sunday, September 14, 2003
Roland...
Hello! I am writing you a last letter for the journey. My last food delivery is scheduled for late today.
My transformation complete—a fully accepted wild animal—brother to these bears. I run free among them—with absolute love and respect for all the animals. I am kind and viciously tough.
People—especially the bear experts of Alaska—believe this cannot be done. Some even bet on my death. They are sure you must have some sort of weapon for defense—pepper spray at the least, an electric fence a must. And you cannot hope to make it in a flimsy tent under thick cover among one of Earth's largest gatherings of giant brown grizzly bears.
People who knowingly enter bear habitat with pepper spray, guns, and electric fences are committing a crime to the animals. They begin with the accepted idea of bringing instruments of pain to the animals. If they are that fearful, then they have no place in the land of this perfect animal.
Could I look at Dixon, Lilly, and their mother, Melissa, and tell them that I love them, that I will care for them, with a can of mace in my pocket? Does the fox or vole get zapped by the wicked sting of an electric fence for being curious?
This wilderness—the Grizzly Maze—had big problems not too many years ago. People who came to kill the animals. I was threatened with death. One group promising to stuff me alive in a crab pot and submerge it in the icy sea.
They are gone now. The Maze returned to the animals.
You made this possible. I am a miserable fundraiser. Without you these animals would have been left without any care. Care that I can offer them without any displacement or disrespect. I even erase my footprints.
. . . You got me here for so many years. I will always remember and be thankful. . . . I will tell [the bears] of your kindness and generosity. Animals alive because of you. Myself included.
Sincerely,
Timothy Treadwell
How about this, 58-X, use any number for X. If most die older than 58, then most die older than 58-X, and the rest die younger. 58 doesn't say much, eh? Something is missing there, I figured that out. We need more info. to clarify it, the 58 is not clear from the get go. No politics involved.
Moosie
Grand poopa
"Hey Dixon, I just wanted you to know that it's because of Roland I'm here....."
"AAAAHhhhggggggggg, No Dixon, Get off my leg !!!!"
Munch Munch.....
"MMMMM MMMMM MMMMmmm , Thanx Roland, Please send another guy over, next time have him bring the Pepperspray for some spice".
TOM, let the # 58 go, I made it up. You're a GENIOUS and caught me !!!!!!
Tom
New member
Scouting report: http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/management/fur/wah.cfm
That's where they were as of a few days ago. Let them know, they've only got a few days left, if their not tagged out yet.
They look a little more dense down there by Nome, eh.
That's where they were as of a few days ago. Let them know, they've only got a few days left, if their not tagged out yet.
They look a little more dense down there by Nome, eh.
Moosie
Grand poopa
Tom.. That Dense Area that's all blue is the Ocean.
I haven't heard from them yet, But I think they are back in a Hotel tomorrow night. I better get a call from them or I'm gunna Kick some AY~SSSSsss.
I said "My guess is 2 moose and 6-7 bou will die."
I hope I'm wrong and they did better then that !!!
I haven't heard from them yet, But I think they are back in a Hotel tomorrow night. I better get a call from them or I'm gunna Kick some AY~SSSSsss.
I said "My guess is 2 moose and 6-7 bou will die."
I hope I'm wrong and they did better then that !!!
MarvB
Well-known member
I'm thinking that if they had 8-9 tag between them then up to 8-9 animals might hit the ground...if they had less then less will or maybe some will go unfilled or not....maybe
....wonder if that shower worked??
....wonder if that shower worked??
noharleyyet
Well-known member
MarvB said:
Moosie
Grand poopa
....... I think you right good post. Planes use gas nice day BYE ......
Tom
New member
I think you're right about the blue area being water. There aren't many caribou, i.e. black dots, out there. They should have, I hope, I hope, plenty of good stories in a few days. I'm thinking you told these guys to heat water up in a pan and use that for a shower? They don't really have a shower in camp, its just a pan, you gave them the idea. Man, they've been out in the bush a long time, they needed it.
noharleyyet
Well-known member
Moosie said:....... I think you right good post. Planes use gas nice day BYE ......
Sounds like Boomhouer (sp?) from the "King of the Hill" animated sitcom.
Moosie
Grand poopa
YAH.... they're back. I'll be interested in T-bones vervision when it's posted.
Tom
New member
Hey, I got a battery shocker deal for $39 at Lowe's. Here's the web page for them,
http://www.store.yahoo.com/fishockstore/ss-2lg.html Its way cheaper at Lowe's here, the same thing. I'm going to try it out on cattle, see if it keeps them away from deer corn. $39 is just the shocker part, that runs off of 2 D batteries, it sounds like what that Alaska bear biologist, Dr. Tom ??? is talking about.
http://www.store.yahoo.com/fishockstore/ss-2lg.html Its way cheaper at Lowe's here, the same thing. I'm going to try it out on cattle, see if it keeps them away from deer corn. $39 is just the shocker part, that runs off of 2 D batteries, it sounds like what that Alaska bear biologist, Dr. Tom ??? is talking about.
txDEERhuntr
New member
your a douche old manMoosie said:No one worries about bears but kids and Texans
Tom
New member
Have someone read this to you, if you can't read it:
Tom S. Smith, Ph.D.
Research Ecologist - Bears
USGS – Alaska Science Center
... Electric fencing, now lighter and more economical than ever, can dissuade curious bears from approaching your camp, ...
I recommend that electric fencing be used primarily for the following situations:
1) long-term field camps (such as used by state and federal agencies to conduct management and research functions),
2) for hunting camps where game meat and trophies (e.g., hides, horns, etc.) may be stored,
3) in locations where bear numbers are known to be high, and
4) where problem bears have been known to frequent.
...
Most bears I've witnessed getting shocked cannot put enough distance between themselves and the fence fast enough. ...
Over the past decade I have tested many fences in many settings - all of them thick with bears - and have never had an electric fence fail to keep bears out.
That guy thinks its a good idea and it works and he's tested it, in Alaska.
Its like insurance, a waste until its used, but a good idea sometimes.
Tom S. Smith, Ph.D.
Research Ecologist - Bears
USGS – Alaska Science Center
... Electric fencing, now lighter and more economical than ever, can dissuade curious bears from approaching your camp, ...
I recommend that electric fencing be used primarily for the following situations:
1) long-term field camps (such as used by state and federal agencies to conduct management and research functions),
2) for hunting camps where game meat and trophies (e.g., hides, horns, etc.) may be stored,
3) in locations where bear numbers are known to be high, and
4) where problem bears have been known to frequent.
...
Most bears I've witnessed getting shocked cannot put enough distance between themselves and the fence fast enough. ...
Over the past decade I have tested many fences in many settings - all of them thick with bears - and have never had an electric fence fail to keep bears out.
That guy thinks its a good idea and it works and he's tested it, in Alaska.
Its like insurance, a waste until its used, but a good idea sometimes.
