Wyoming Corner Crossing Defense Fund

[Deepnsteep]

Now we wait. Anybody got a pool going for the verdicts? And the time they deliver it!?

 

[lapuahunter]

Now we wait. Anybody got a pool going for the verdicts? And the time they deliver it!?

Hopefully a fast verdict and I'd like to be tuned back in to listen when they are done.

 

[brocksw]

In a nutshell

 

[seeth07]

Now we wait. Anybody got a pool going for the verdicts? And the time they deliver it!?

Not guilty, 2 hours

 

[Wildabeest]

Now we wait. Anybody got a pool going for the verdicts? And the time they deliver it!?

With the judge’s instructions, I say guilty verdict is returned. Hunters aren’t contesting whether they entered air space over the private property, and judge is instructing jurors that that is illegal. Seems pretty cut and dry.

 

[COEngineer]

I feel like the defense attorneys rambled too much. I would have liked to hear more focus on, "None of the sheriffs or game wardens issued citations because there was reasonable doubt that there had been any criminal actions."

 

[RobG]

My bet is they are eventually found not guilty because of instruction 10, which, I think, requires that they knowingly violated the law. It seems like there was a lot of ambiguity if this particular type of trespass was illegal. The defense spent a lot of time on it.

 

[Labman]

With the judge’s instructions, I say guilty verdict is returned. Hunters aren’t contesting whether they entered air space over the private property, and judge is instructing jurors that that is illegal. Seems pretty cut and dry.

But if you have a paramotor attached to your back and you fly over private 1” above the ground, that is 100% legal. Makes sense.

 

[VikingsGuy]

This isn't just non-res hunters. Resident hunters have just as big of a stake in this.

As does anyone who wants to corner cross to recreate on public lands in this situation. In fact, getting mountain bikers, hikers, rock climbers, snowmobilers, etc on board will only help.

I understand and agree - but if the premise is that an "on the facts" judgment helps us, then it is easy for those who disagree with us to point out the facts were an obnoxious NR owner and NR hunters - but in our county it would be different. The extreme behavior of the owner and his agents actually makes a jury win less valuable, as easy to dismiss as being driven by that.

 

[VikingsGuy]

My bet is they are eventually found not guilty because of instruction 10, which, I think, requires that they knowingly violated the law. It seems like there was a lot of ambiguity if this particular type of trespass was illegal. The defense spent a lot of time on it.

You may be right, but then if that is the reason then anybody watching this thread is now on notice and the ease of the next prosecution goes up.

 

[VikingsGuy]

But if you have a paramotor attached to your back and you fly over private 1” above the ground, that is 100% legal. Makes sense.

The Wyoming statute would say otherwise as currently drafted and interpreted.

 

[VikingsGuy]

Hopefully a fast verdict and I'd like to be tuned back in to listen when they are done.

Can't speak for WY, but in MN I would say a fast verdict is a conviction.

 

[Washington Hunter]

The jury was told they were still allowed to use their common sense in determining a verdict. So in my mind that alone means a not guilty verdict.

 

[VikingsGuy]

The jury was told they were still allowed to use their common sense in determining a verdict. So in my mind that alone means a not guilty verdict.

Sweet - a little American jury nullification.

 

[seeth07]

Sweet - a little American jury nullification.

all it takes is for one of those jury members to be a public land hunter. I wonder how in depth the jury selection was. I get that they would have tried to get unbiased members by not having a big landowner or a huge public land hunter be on the jury but in Wyoming isn't that kind of hard to do?

 

[Hechterooskie]

But if you have a paramotor attached to your back and you fly over private 1” above the ground, that is 100% legal. Makes sense.

Throw one of these bad boys on and jump when your on top of the ladder and you can cross any corner you want.

 

[Labman]

The Wyoming statute would say otherwise as currently drafted and interpreted.

Since the rules for Paramotors are set by the FAA how can a state’s laws be more restrictive than Federal?

 

[mtnkid85]

Im just checking back in on this today. The feed doesn't seem to currently have anything, is the Jury deciding right now?

 

[Firedude]

They're back in the room! Getting the jury back now.

First guy. Not guilty on both counts.

 

[winmag]

Not guilty!!