Winchester model 70

[Don Fischer]

I have never understood the idea that pre 64's are worth so much. To buy into that I'd think you also buy into the idea that todays rifles are not well made! I have a Mod 70 that was made about 2006 and I would not trade it for a Mod 70 from pre 64 that might have several thousand bullet's down the barrel. I have a couple Mossberg Patriots I also would not trade for any pre 64 Mod 70. If the Mod 70 was some rare caliber, might buy it but I really don't think any gun, pre 64 mod 70 included, is worth any more than you'd be willing to pay for it! So if you think your getting a good deal buying a pre 64 with maybe several thousand bullet's down the barrel rather than a new Savage in the same cartridge for $500 less, buy the pre 64. Otherwise get the new Savage with no bullet's down the barrel for $500 less!

 

[Ben Lamb]

I have never understood the idea that pre 64's are worth so much. To buy into that I'd think you also buy into the idea that todays rifles are not well made! I have a Mod 70 that was made about 2006 and I would not trade it for a Mod 70 from pre 64 that might have several thousand bullet's down the barrel. I have a couple Mossberg Patriots I also would not trade for any pre 64 Mod 70. If the Mod 70 was some rare caliber, might buy it but I really don't think any gun, pre 64 mod 70 included, is worth any more than you'd be willing to pay for it! So if you think your getting a good deal buying a pre 64 with maybe several thousand bullet's down the barrel rather than a new Savage in the same cartridge for $500 less, buy the pre 64. Otherwise get the new Savage with no bullet's down the barrel for $500 less!

Valid.

Why buy Stickley furniture when IKEA makes the same thing for far less? They both hold books.

No need for a Jaguar when a Toyota Tercel gets you to the same place.

Simply irresponsible to purchase a Degas when a Velvet Elvis will fill the exact same space on the wall as well.

 

[Don Fischer]

Valid.

Why buy Stickley furniture when IKEA makes the same thing for far less? They both hold books.

No need for a Jaguar when a Toyota Tercel gets you to the same place.

Simply irresponsible to purchase a Degas when a Velvet Elvis will fill the exact same space on the wall as well.

I'm glad ya understand Ben!

 

[choc dogs]

I have never understood the idea that pre 64's are worth so much. To buy into that I'd think you also buy into the idea that todays rifles are not well made! I have a Mod 70 that was made about 2006 and I would not trade it for a Mod 70 from pre 64 that might have several thousand bullet's down the barrel. I have a couple Mossberg Patriots I also would not trade for any pre 64 Mod 70. If the Mod 70 was some rare caliber, might buy it but I really don't think any gun, pre 64 mod 70 included, is worth any more than you'd be willing to pay for it! So if you think your getting a good deal buying a pre 64 with maybe several thousand bullet's down the barrel rather than a new Savage in the same cartridge for $500 less, buy the pre 64. Otherwise get the new Savage with no bullet's down the barrel for $500 less!

It’s a valid point. I shoot, not collect model 70’s, because that’s what my dad started me shooting with, and quite simply, to my eye they look like a rifle should. I could probably have more rifles if I looked for savages, that undoubtedly shoot accurately, and function fine, but to my eye aren’t appealing. Nobody needs this stuff, it’s what we like.

 

[noharleyyet]

I'm glad ya understand Ben!

Are Degas like bitcoin? I'm trynna keep up..

 

[ImBillT]

Its a weaver 4X

Most of the El Paso weavers were pretty dim. I wouldn’t hesitate to replace it.

 

[ImBillT]

I have never understood the idea that pre 64's are worth so much. To buy into that I'd think you also buy into the idea that todays rifles are not well made! I have a Mod 70 that was made about 2006 and I would not trade it for a Mod 70 from pre 64 that might have several thousand bullet's down the barrel. I have a couple Mossberg Patriots I also would not trade for any pre 64 Mod 70. If the Mod 70 was some rare caliber, might buy it but I really don't think any gun, pre 64 mod 70 included, is worth any more than you'd be willing to pay for it! So if you think your getting a good deal buying a pre 64 with maybe several thousand bullet's down the barrel rather than a new Savage in the same cartridge for $500 less, buy the pre 64. Otherwise get the new Savage with no bullet's down the barrel for $500 less!

Most of today’s firearms are machined to tighter tolerances by CNC machines, BUT a lot of the designs have been simplified to cut machining costs. As a fan of controlled round feeding, and of fine craftsmanship, I see a lot of value in a pre-64 model 70 and their smooth, slick yet mechanical feel. It’s a different kind of value. I wish I could snatch up a handful of M98s and Model 70s.

 

[1100RemingtonMan]

I would take a older Model 70 in lightly used condition over most New Rifles.

 

[Don Fischer]

Most of the El Paso weavers were pretty dim. I wouldn’t hesitate to replace it.

Little foggy but that's because the air was so clean in El Paso in those days. Looks fine to me today! Can't be more than 50 yrs old and still holds it's own!

 

[BuzzH]

I have never understood the idea that pre 64's are worth so much. To buy into that I'd think you also buy into the idea that todays rifles are not well made! I have a Mod 70 that was made about 2006 and I would not trade it for a Mod 70 from pre 64 that might have several thousand bullet's down the barrel. I have a couple Mossberg Patriots I also would not trade for any pre 64 Mod 70. If the Mod 70 was some rare caliber, might buy it but I really don't think any gun, pre 64 mod 70 included, is worth any more than you'd be willing to pay for it! So if you think your getting a good deal buying a pre 64 with maybe several thousand bullet's down the barrel rather than a new Savage in the same cartridge for $500 less, buy the pre 64. Otherwise get the new Savage with no bullet's down the barrel for $500 less!

I bet there's more pre-64's with less than a 1K rounds down the barrel than you think...

Lots of old school deer/elk rifles just don't get shot all that much.

 

[Don Fischer]

I bet there's more pre-64's with less than a 1K rounds down the barrel than you think...

Lots of old school deer/elk rifles just don't get shot all that much.

Point is they ate used and you have no clue how many rounds have been shot through it. Only decent reason's I can find to get one is either they are inexpensive of you just like pre 64 mod 70's!

 

[MTLabrador]

I bet there's more pre-64's with less than a 1K rounds down the barrel than you think...

Lots of old school deer/elk rifles just don't get shot all that much.

At least they probably didn’t shoot those damned plastic tip bullets.

My apologies Don, I just felt like being a smartass today.

 

[Ben Lamb]

I'm glad ya understand Ben!

To paraphrase Butch, "We got vision and the rest of the world wears bi-focals."

 

[LopeHunter]

I bet there's more pre-64's with less than a 1K rounds down the barrel than you think...

Lots of old school deer/elk rifles just don't get shot all that much.

Agreed. Ammo was expensive for a kid so .22s where we shot most our rounds. Sighting in a rifle with iron sights was not a multi-box process. If had a scope then might shoot a box to dial in then a handful of rounds just before season to make sure was still on target. That was how we did it in the rural Midwest. We put lots of rounds through our shotguns shooting doves, ducks, geese, quail, rabbits and clay pigeons. Rifles, not so much.

 

[noharleyyet]

To paraphrase Butch, "We got vision and the rest of the world wears bi-focals."

You're crazy, the fall will probably kill ya.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Valid.

Why buy Stickley furniture when IKEA makes the same thing for far less? They both hold books.

No need for a Jaguar when a Toyota Tercel gets you to the same place.

Simply irresponsible to purchase a Degas when a Velvet Elvis will fill the exact same space on the wall as well.

The difference is guns make feelings that mean something...vanity and keeping up with the jones of a jag and stckley does not.

 

[pre6422hornet]

I have never understood the idea that pre 64's are worth so much. To buy into that I'd think you also buy into the idea that todays rifles are not well made! I have a Mod 70 that was made about 2006 and I would not trade it for a Mod 70 from pre 64 that might have several thousand bullet's down the barrel. I have a couple Mossberg Patriots I also would not trade for any pre 64 Mod 70. If the Mod 70 was some rare caliber, might buy it but I really don't think any gun, pre 64 mod 70 included, is worth any more than you'd be willing to pay for it! So if you think your getting a good deal buying a pre 64 with maybe several thousand bullet's down the barrel rather than a new Savage in the same cartridge for $500 less, buy the pre 64. Otherwise get the new Savage with no bullet's down the barrel for $500 less!

Don the pre 64's were built much like a custom rifle of today. That was one reason they went away. It cost too much money to continue making them. $162 bucks in 1950 ( price of a supergrade in .270) is around 1700-1800 bucks today.
1. Machined action
2. hand fitted parts
3. Hand inletted stocks
4. Hand shaped stocks
5. Hand checkered stocks ( until 1959)
6. Hook rifled barrels ( this went away in 55 and in 59 hammer forged
8. hand lapped barrels
9. hand assembled and test fired
10. dissassembled after test firing, rechecked and re assembled again.

Now don't take my wording of being a collector the wrong way. I shoot them all and someday my daughters will own them all. I am not in it to make money. My pre war hornet has been all over the country, thrown in the dirt, scratched, etc... It was handed down to me from a great uncle who purchased it new in 1941. My go to rifle is a 5 digit 2007 in .270 classic stainless. That rifle is the one that goes with me more than anything and if someone told me I could only have one rifle for the rest of my life it would be picked. I love all the M70's.

 

[Ben Lamb]

The difference is guns make feelings that mean something...vanity and keeping up with the jones of a jag and stckley does not.

Stickley's were/are hand crafted works of art and represent a unique American art movement in Mission revival/Arts & Crafts, much like the model 70 in it's heyday.

The electrical system of the Jaguar was designed & manufactured by sadists, and the engine by specialists in overthinking. The rest of it is gorgeous.

 

[BuzzH]

Point is they ate used and you have no clue how many rounds have been shot through it. Only decent reason's I can find to get one is either they are inexpensive of you just like pre 64 mod 70's!

Big deal...as if rifle barrels are expensive?

 

[ImBillT]

Little foggy but that's because the air was so clean in El Paso in those days. Looks fine to me today! Can't be more than 50 yrs old and still holds it's own!

I still have a T-20. For hunting though, if there’s a chance of bad weather or low light, I’ll take something else. A lot of the models were very well made.