West coast salmon recovery

[Irrelevant]

I will have a hard time accepting that habitat loss isn't part of the problem.

Part, sure, always. But almost certainly less than everyone thinks. We have almost completely pristine watersheds that are very close to pre-contact conditions, that have almost no salmon or steelhead. The Queets, Hoh, Bogi, Sol Duc, Quinault, and even most of the Humptulips, there are no dams, very few homes, and minimal timber harvest.

 

[Irrelevant]

In my opinion I think the anti hatchery folks in the lower 48 caused a lot of this. They thought that hatchery fish were out competing native fish so they started a campaign to demonize hatcheries. In reality large numbers of hatchery fish were providing the buffer of mass numbers of fish to reduce the effects of all of the other impacts listed above.

In steelhead, it's fairly well documented that hatchery competition does harm native fry and smolts.

Hatchery Selection and the Effects of Egg Size on Steelhead Growth and Development

An ambitious and hopeful effort to protect and restore the wild steelhead.

www.wildsteelheaders.org

I have read a few things over the years that the impacts in other species are not as "bad"

 

[R.K.]

Part, sure, always. But almost certainly less than everyone thinks. We have almost completely pristine watersheds that are very close to pre-contact conditions, that have almost no salmon. The Queets, Hoh, Bogi, Sol Duc, Quinault, and even most of the Humptulips, there are no dams, very few homes, and minimal timber harvest.

Any chance the outlets of those streams flow past salmon pens?

 

[Irrelevant]

Any chance the outlets of those streams flow past salmon pens?

I don't believe so. They all discharge to the open pacific, and all the net pens are in protected waters of some sort.

 

[Salmonchaser]

Not only is there quite a bit of good habitat in the Northwest but consider Alaska where most of the salmon streams have very little disturbance on them. The adults can’t spawn in rarified beautiful habitat if they can’t get by the nets.

 

[Goodfish]

Not only is there quite a bit of good habitat in the Northwest but consider Alaska where most of the salmon streams have very little disturbance on them. The adults can’t spawn in rarified beautiful habitat if they can’t get by the nets.

That is exactly right. The spawning grounds and competition on the spawning grounds don’t matter much when nothing is coming back to benefit. Now it is a math problem that having fewer salmon in total means they receive a greater impact from everything else.

 

[Goodfish]

In steelhead, it's fairly well documented that hatchery competition does harm native fry and smolts.

Hatchery Selection and the Effects of Egg Size on Steelhead Growth and Development

An ambitious and hopeful effort to protect and restore the wild steelhead.

www.wildsteelheaders.org

I have read a few things over the years that the impacts in other species are not as "bad

In steelhead, it's fairly well documented that hatchery competition does harm native fry and smolts.

Hatchery Selection and the Effects of Egg Size on Steelhead Growth and Development

An ambitious and hopeful effort to protect and restore the wild steelhead.

www.wildsteelheaders.org

I have read a few things over the years that the impacts in other species are not as "bad"

It’s true if there were enough fish returning to actually compete. I think the big issue there was experimenting with separate genetic strains within the same river to alter run timing. You can tell a hatchery steelhead immediately from a native and they pretty well suck in comparison. But in terms of math, having a lot of the hatchery fish keeps the sea lions and everything else from keeping native fish populations down and lets them get reestablished faster.

 

[hank4elk]

Just saw a YT of 1st salmon run on the Klamath in 100 years,now that 4 damns are gone.
One small victory.

 

[Irrelevant]

Fish camp in Alaska - without the fish - High Country News

Yukon River communities fight to maintain their salmon fishing traditions.

www.hcn.org

 

[Goodfish]

Good read.

From fish traps to factory trawlers — A ‘back to the future’ look at Seattle’s fishing industry • Alaska Beacon

Many Seattle-based boats are factory trawlers that target pollock, cod, rockfish, flounders and other “groundfish” species.

alaskabeacon.com

 

[Salmonchaser]

I’ve lived in and out of Alaska for the last 65 years. The rape of Alaska has been going on since long before we moved up there. What has always bugged me, at least since I was old enough to have independent thought, is the money does little for Alaska, compared to what is taken, from the state. We are now at a tipping point up there.
If you read these reports and wonder what you can do it is really simple. Don’t buy fish sticks, dog food with salmon or white fish, or Salmon from Costco. That’ll help a little. Most of it goes overseas but every little bit helps.

 

[Goodfish]

I just don’t see as a nation or as sportsmen that we can be silent. The trawl fleet is allowed to kill and waste more crab than the commercial crab fleet is allowed to catch. Same with halibut. Sports fishing doesn’t even register but we keep getting cut back. Time to boycott McDonalds in force.