Well that wasn't very good news...

[JoseCuervo]

NOt sure that Valero is the norm, but if you remember, right, they were put together by purchasing lots of refineries at pennies on the dollar when nobody wanted anything to do with that business. And they now have managed to upgrade and improve their older facilities to a point where they are generating quite a bit of free cash flow. And, thankfully they return lots of that to their investors, buying back about 20% of their stock whilst increasing the dividend as you mentioned AND bringing new capacity online and making big investments.

I don't see the refiners being the ones with the unfair profits. More the explorers and drillers, or so it seems.

But yes, I DO support Big Oil's interests. I need the outsized rates of return to pay for my fuel bills. Have you whipped out the credit card to pay $4.50 a gallon for Jet Fuel lately?

 

[noharleyyet]

NoHarley,

Do you add anything to these discussions other than your penchant of using big words to profess your admiration of The Cheese's wisdom? Have you ever considered commenting on the topic at hand, or are you just content to be a cheerleader for The Cheese?

Chaser doesn't need my defense. The point of you looking like a fool, obsessing a nemesis who can't even see you has been made boyo. At least it motivated you to research & post some good info. I can't improve on Marv's knowledgeable explanation of HIS thread.

...your welcome.

 

[BigHornRam]

Good stuff Marv.....and Jose makes a few (cough, cough) good points as well.

 

[JoseCuervo]

I can't improve on Marv's knowledgeable explanation of HIS thread.

...your welcome.

Classic!!!!

You readily acknowledge you have nothing to add to this thread, that you can't add value, so you have made SIX posts that do nothing other than securely implant your lips to The Cheese's backside as his number one fanboy.... Go back and read, you add nothing other than The Cheese Defense to this thread, whereas others can at least keep the topic going.

If you don't want to challenge The Cheese for his lame comments because of your man crush, so be it, but why not challenge CJ for his, once again, confusion of "facts" with "ramblings from an incoherent source"?

Do you really feel that sorry for The Cheese that you feel compelled to defend him from his ignorance?

 

[noharleyyet]

Classic!!!!

You readily acknowledge you have nothing to add to this thread, that you can't add value, so you have made SIX posts that do nothing other than securely implant your lips to The Cheese's backside as his number one fanboy.... Go back and read, you add nothing other than The Cheese Defense to this thread, whereas others can at least keep the topic going.

If you don't want to challenge The Cheese for his lame comments because of your man crush, so be it, but why not challenge CJ for his, once again, confusion of "facts" with "ramblings from an incoherent source"?

Do you really feel that sorry for The Cheese that you feel compelled to defend him from his ignorance?

...burns like a bitch, don't it. Put my ass on your kiss list...Mike.

 

[JoseCuervo]

...burns like a bitch, don't it.

Nahh.... I am ok with you now making SEVEN posts in this thread with nothing other defense of The Cheese or attacks on Buzz and/or myself. Looks like you might have a bit of an obsession....

Do you need me to go back thru and list your seven threads and show you the results of your man crush on The Cheese, or are you aware of it?

 

[noharleyyet]

8....& Buzz ain't cryin'.

 

[ELKCHSR]

You also dont believe that congress or the president have any influence over these things?"

HAHAHA Buzz!!!

Once again adding what ever you like to my posts, over dramatizing what others said seems to be an issue with you, ever see a shrink about that...

You will have to back track and re-post where I stated these two entities have "NO" influence on the markets...

Matter of factly...

You'll have to show me where I've ever added congress into your blanket statement or said the Pres has zero effect (zero isn’t your exact word, but the insinuation on your part is there)...

Come on now, you have others bedazzled with these tactics (tack ticks ), I'm not buying...

Where you’re saying you're posting any where near Marv’s level on this particular subject is being a little naive to say the least...

I will give you some kudos on the fact it seems you’re finally taking some interest in economics; if I was you, I’d get to know a little farther thru the class before you start showing your prowess on the though...

It's about time, but no time like the present, I suppose...

As far as guner is concerned...

Your full of hot air my friend, every one sees it including yourself...

 

[BuzzH]

Cheese...so let me gets this straight...the president has no control over the strategic reserve?

Must be the first president in US history that doesnt...did they take that control away from Bush? Maybe they dont trust him with that kind of responsibility...maybe you could look into that for us...I'm curious.

I wonder if Bush holding hands with Saudi Oil Barons means anything?

I wonder if Bush has any control over the tax breaks that big oil companies are CONTINUING to get despite record profits?

Yep, you're right cheese, the president is powerless to influence oil markets.

What a clown.

 

[TLC]

"I wonder if Bush has any control over the tax breaks that big oil companies are CONTINUING to get despite record profits?"

Buzz, what happens to the price of gas if the breaks are taken away? wouldn't the consumer still get the short end of the stick? don't think they should be getting a break on anything, but lets face it, we the consumer are screwed no matter what.

have fought the same arguement as you, but was taken to task. record profits do not mean record profit margins. to me, making money is making money, but thought I would add that in. also, Marv, don't worry about where you're at for the diesel price there. we hit 4.399 here today. figure it will be over $5 on the way back. so doesn't really matter now.

 

[ELKCHSR]

the president has no control over the strategic reserve?

You said it not me Buzz ...

Try as you may to turn this around, it is you who keeps implying I've made such statements, but I don't see you coming up with any old posts where I said such...

Should be easy pickings as there are lots of posts to chose from...

Tsk... Tsk... Tsk... Keep trying, maybe you can get some one to bite (I'm assuming he will show up pretty much any time now... )

 

[BuzzH]

Hey cheese, remember when you said this, "Those who don't understand the situation will try bringing as many factors as possible to the table to muddy the water (so to speak)"

What part of the reply I made muddied the water on the topic at hand?

I said nearly the same thing that MarvB did with about 1/3 of the words. Yet, you claim I dont understand the issue?

Since I'm dragging all these things into the discussion that effect oil prices...like opec, strategic reserve, etc. etc. etc. you must think these things are not really part of the problem.

Come on Cheese, tell us all one more time what the real problems are...Oh thats right you agreed with MarvB, who brought up nearly every point I had already made.

You know what he did omit from his reply of reasons?...environmentalists and lawyers.

You're an absolute joke and the laughing stock of hunttalk. Run along and find a hole to dig...its really about the maximum of your limited potential.

 

[ELKCHSR]

Buzz...

Your a funny guy...

All well, I'm thinking this thread isn't about you or me any way and I for one don't want to be accused of any thing I didn't say...

However, I don't see any posts from you showing where you found any of the statements you said I said...

All well, I figured you didn't have any, only back peddling and what ever other bluster you could muster up...

Have a nice day and let me know how your classes are coming along!

Oh... If you need help on your Econ classes, send me a PM and I'll see if I can help...

 

[cjcj]

I don't see the refiners being the ones with the unfair profits. More the explorers and drillers, or so it seems.

But yes, I DO support Big Oil's interests.

Hoser, you are confused about my "Facts" I was talking about .... Corporate Politics... Do you or Buzz think Kerry/Gore would have made any difference? Tell us how/why Gas would be cheaper at the pump if Gore/Kerry had been elected.....

 

[BuzzH]

Cheese,

YOU'RE as in YOU ARE...a really dumb guy...

 

[ELKCHSR]

Do you or Buzz think Kerry/Gore would have made any difference? Tell us how/why Gas would be cheaper at the pump if Gore/Kerry had been elected

Think what you like Buzz, it's your opinion...

This is definatly more pertinent to the topic than how I spell, or peoples grammer...

But, this quote is sticking along the thread a little more closely than we have

Have an opinion here???

Your good at adding more to my posts than I do, sooooo...

What else do I have to say on this subject???

Hmmmmm....

 

[A-con]

Once again adding what ever you like to my posts, over dramatizing what others said seems to be an issue with you,

He can’t find any fault with anything you really said, so he needs to make things up

Buzz, you should send ELKCHASR a tuition check, cause he’s taking you to school on this one

 

[BuzzH]

A-con,

Do you want Rusty "cheese" Greenspan managing your retirement accounts? How about your personal finances?

 

[ELKCHSR]

LOL Buzz...

This thread has nothing to do with retirement accounts or personal finances except for the actual price at the pump...

Silly fellow...

Beating around the bush, still doesn't answer the question this thread is all about...

I looked at the first post and unbelievebly, I wasn't mentioned any where in it...

This one is kinda fun though, I think thats the first time you've used one of the smilies for probably...

....Ever....

Look, I'm rubbing off on you....

 

[JoseCuervo]

He can’t find any fault with anything you really said, so he needs to make things up

A-Con,

I challenged CJ to post a "fact" that The Cheese posted and he was unable to find a single fact.

Can you find a "fact" from The Cheese that you agree with?