VikingsGuy
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Purely speculation, but my guess is that in 2010 there would be zero HT users trying to see Russia’s side of this. If that is the case, then all the money Putin has spent gaslighting the west is paying dividends.
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Hem
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You don't have much faith in people being people. I don't believe all " Russians" are evil and think like Putin. Clearly he wants his people to be denied of the truth because he knows they will not overwhelmingly approve of this invasion.
Massive sanctions just don't happen.
noharleyyet
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So refusing to join the echo chamber makes a HT’r a Putin apologist?
The world has changed a lot in 12 years, but this "new" tribalism you keep alluding to is not limited to the political far right. There are two sides to that coin.
People are trying to understand Putin's rationale for attacking Ukraine. I haven't heard anyone justifying his actions, but maybe I missed something
VikingsGuy
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I didn’t say that. Just haven’t seen a lot of openness to the Russian/Soviet perspective in the past. So, as you say, maybe we have just become more enlightened. Or maybe state-sponsored gaslighting works. I don’t own the truth on this, just making a guess.
Here's a Nobel Russian Newspaper writing in defiance of Putin/political threats...
"Everyone had a clear understanding that Putin, by his decision, had destroyed the future for younger generations, that the country would become a pariah, that we in no way would support this war."
With positions, as shared by his entire staff, I believe Russian people have an idea of their President and his mental status.
Amazing they're not 6' under of some unknown tree farm.
"Our office managers brought in body armor and helmets from the warehouse, which had been lying idle for several years. The pressure on Novaya Gazeta and other media began immediately. It’s got to the point of absurdity. We received an order to ban the use of the words “war,” “occupation,” “invasion.” However, we continue to call war war. We are waiting for the consequences."
ggood read!
www.newyorker.com
"Everyone had a clear understanding that Putin, by his decision, had destroyed the future for younger generations, that the country would become a pariah, that we in no way would support this war."
With positions, as shared by his entire staff, I believe Russian people have an idea of their President and his mental status.
Amazing they're not 6' under of some unknown tree farm.
"Our office managers brought in body armor and helmets from the warehouse, which had been lying idle for several years. The pressure on Novaya Gazeta and other media began immediately. It’s got to the point of absurdity. We received an order to ban the use of the words “war,” “occupation,” “invasion.” However, we continue to call war war. We are waiting for the consequences."
ggood read!
How Russia’s Nobel-Winning Newspaper Is Covering Ukraine
“We continue to call war war,” Dmitry Muratov, the editor of Novaya Gazeta, said. “We are waiting for the consequences.”
VikingsGuy
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No doubt both sides are playing games - but that doesn’t make my one particular supposition wrong.
We know how this game works, right VG? It's HT after all. You've been there and dealt with it in the past.
Interesting how many hopped on one political gravy train yet... steer clear of the other train running parallel tracks.
I'm not here to argue political semantics with you
We need to be praying for the Russian people as well. Dumpster fire
VikingsGuy
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Seemed like you were . . .
BigHornRam
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You're making a fool out of yourself dude. Go to bed.
VikingsGuy
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And when in doubt go personal. But your concern for my reputation and sleep habits mean a lot.
Nameless Range
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The best solution to this conflict will be one the United States brokers. We want to have influence with how this turns out. Graham, through nothing but emotion, just contributed to closing that door, and opened it for some damn contingent - maybe China, to be the one who does.
We all think things we don’t say aloud all the time - and for good reason.
VikingsGuy
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Russia to Punish Ukraine War ‘Fake News’ with Up to 15 Years in Prison
The Russian Parliament passes a bill that could punish criticism of the Russian attack on Ukraine with up to 15 years in prison.
www.breitbart.com
BackofBeyond
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Breitbart???Russia to Punish Ukraine War ‘Fake News’ with Up to 15 Years in Prison
The Russian Parliament passes a bill that could punish criticism of the Russian attack on Ukraine with up to 15 years in prison.
VikingsGuy
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Better?
Russia Criminalizes Sanctions Calls, ‘Fake News’ on Military
Russia’s parliament passed harsh laws that would impose prison terms for people charged with spreading “fake news” about the military or calling for sanctions against the country.
www.bloomberg.com
BigGameDIY
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I dont know what sides you are talking about, in reality there is russia ruled by group of mentally sick idiots and the other side is the entire world. Their goal was not Ukraine, they were planning to get Ukraine within three days, then move on to Europe and USA. They said that there will be one world with the Capitol of Moscow. I'm not making that up, one of their leaders told that about a year ago.
Ukrainian people are fighting for entire worlds freedom, they are Patriots and great people. Every person should pray for Ukraine these days and every country must help them to stop that evil.
Every country who is buying russias oil and gas is supporting the war. Biden and his administration are responsible for that war as they changed their energy policies the next day Biden became "president" and started sending Russia millions of dollars every day.
I'm glad that most of Americans dont understand russian language as their news is 100% lie.
Ukrainian people are fighting for entire worlds freedom, they are Patriots and great people. Every person should pray for Ukraine these days and every country must help them to stop that evil.
Every country who is buying russias oil and gas is supporting the war. Biden and his administration are responsible for that war as they changed their energy policies the next day Biden became "president" and started sending Russia millions of dollars every day.
I'm glad that most of Americans dont understand russian language as their news is 100% lie.
VikingsGuy
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I have been to both Kiev and Moscow. Beautiful cities and wonderful people. I have people I call friends in both locations. We are all creatures of our culture and surroundings. At this point I cut the average Russian a little slack. I cut Putin none.
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